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HOA considering restrictions on home-based businesses? (merged)

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by frostsh, May 6, 2008.

  1. Celebrate Calm

    Celebrate Calm New Member

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    Because I am concerned about your mental health, Gryphon, I wanted you to know that it is okay to let go of the conspiracy theories and obsessions over other people.

    Next time we have a local Workshop, I would like you to be my special guest, okay? Happy Friday to you! :)
     
  2. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Seriously Gryphon - DROP IT. There was no deceit and this was covered AGES ago. I got news for you - there are lots of people here that post form the same house!! SOMETIMES they screw up and post under the wrong username. If you'd pay attention to detail instead of getting all wound up - you'd notice a ton more. Leave the policing to the admins.

    And I never said it was. Which is why I specifically said
    "The number of children comes up (by others) simply because its a direct tie to how many people are coming and going from the house. They feel..."

    Please do not make us rehash every perfectly clear sentence.

    And as I've said REPEATEDLY - this problem is larger then daycares. The HOA has been getting similar complaints about other activities. This is why the 'limiting # of children' argument is not a solution. It does not address the real problems.
     
  3. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    I agree to drop it. I acknowledge that this was known the admins, but my point is that the user never told all of us other forum members that they were the same person, family, or group of people sharing a variety of accounts on this sytem. I'll drop it, but I do find that pretty deceptive, even if that was not a purposeful intention.

    Also, to protect my family from inappropriate comments, I now know to add another account to my ignore list.

    Can you recommend a solution to this problem then? What should the HOA do to address the complaints? This thread seems to have devolved into a series of neighbors complaining about people down the street rather than working together at a person-to-person level to solve a problem.

    Also, I want to thank all those who have pointed out that social activities and working from home activities will not be restricted by the HOA. I hope you are right, but only time will tell.
     
  4. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Protect your family? Ah, I see! You share your account with others in your house! How deceitful! How do we know if it's really you who is posting here! That's against the rules! :nono:

    It goes both ways Gryphon...

    And you're not doing this to "protect your family". You're doing this because someone is beating you at your own "game" and you are now going to simply ignore them, like you do to many people here who confront you and prove you wrong on multiple occasions...

    You came into this particular thread to fan some flames and now it's backfiring, so you're going to 'ignore' people... Real mature...
     
  5. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    Nobody else in my family posts here. They do read the fourms, however. Is that against the forum rules? If so, please let me know, and I'll be happy to set everyone in my household up with their own accounts so they can read the forums.
     
  6. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Are you upset that everyone doesn't disclose (including you) exactly who they are to the rest of the forum?

    I have - but I'm tired of holding your hand and reading the posts word by word for you. You snooze, you lose.
     
  7. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Nope, you just proved my point. You made blanket accusations about another user without all the facts, threw around a conspiracy theory, and pointed to the forum rules. I just did the same thing.

    Not fun, is it?
     
  8. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    Well, at least he outed himself and can be properly ignored whatever account he tries to post under.

    OK. I'll have my other family members sign up for their own accounts.
     
  9. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    Lets get back on topic, or at least close to it.

    I'd like any of the supporters (or anyone for that matter, Gryphon of course included) answer this:

    "I'm curious to what the supporters of the business see as to what would be excessive traffic on the street that would merit the HOA getting involved.

    24 cars trips a day, 5 days a week = 120 trips.

    Is that ok then if it was your neighbor? Yes? Ok, now what about if 2 more day care businesses opened up on the street. Would 240 more car trips on your street bother you? Would you care if there was a line of 30 cars on your street every morning at 8am?"
     
  10. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    I'm not a supporter of the business, and Mrs Smith has implied that the opinions of people not living on Fernwood don't apply to her issue. With those caveats noted, I think that anything above 10 car trips (excluding trips by the residents of the property) a day on a daily basis would be excessive. If a neighbor can prove that more than 10 car trips are occuring (documented evidence, such as videotape), then the HOA should start levying serious fines and initiate legal action, if appropriate. So long as social activities (which don't take place on a daily basis) and working from home arrangements (which reduce traffic) are not affected, then I say that we should have very restrictive rules on true business activities.
     
  11. GeauxTigers

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    Then a reply was not requested from you! :p

    Fines based on violation of what rules? I need the language before I can understand just what the violation is here. :pofl:
     
  12. msflynn

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    Ok so just to play a little devils advocate. What if it is a business that only requires traffic once a week. But that traffic brings in 30+ cars every time. Is that excessive? Since it is only once a week should it be allowed? I am just trying to make sure I understand where exactly you place excessive is it number of trips per week, per day, per month? Also what about the county, and the county schools? At pick up time they can bring in over 30 cars to a street should the HOA do something about that too and limit the school to 10 cars per street?
    There is not an easy answer here which is why even the county guidelines are so gray and it is not going to be a quick fix.

    Staci
     
  13. quailpond06

    quailpond06 New Member

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    Personally, regulating the total number of car trips sounds like a bad idea....I have several neighbors with teenagers who, combined with visits from friends, take more than 10 trips a day from their own homes, not to mention some of the neighbors are in and out of their homes regularly throughout the day....
     
  14. msflynn

    msflynn New Member

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    Exactly my point. When you go to a specific number then you open up to so many other issues. When you talk to the county even they will not give you any kind of an exact number that they consider excessive.

    Staci
     
  15. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    I think it would be reasonable to have the restriction apply to regular trips, which would be defined as any activities that produce that much traffic at least 3 days per week.

    I don't think that the HOA can regulate county-generated traffic, such as with the schools. Also, the proposed hospital is going to generate a HUGE amount of traffic, as I don't think it would be built unless the facility was going to treat a lot of patients. I don't think that the HOA can regulate the traffic of any business, except for the businesses that our run out of a resident's home.

    I think that the vehicle trips of the residents of a property should count toward the daily limit. I think it should be limited to non-resident vehicle trips.

    How about $100 for the first violation, $500 for the second violation, and $1,000 for third and any further violations. Fines in those amounts would serve as strong deterrents.

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    So, based on all of the above, here's the language I propose:

    "All residences of the Broadlands are limited to 10 non-resident vehicle trips per day. If a residence is found to have documented vehicle trips in excess of this limit at least 3 days per week, then the homeowner is subject to fines per the following schedule:
    • $100 for the first violation
    • $500 for the second violation
    • $1,000 for the third and all future violations."
     
  16. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Your language is lacking in many points.

    Are the 10 trips solely for the road the resident house is on or for all of Broadlands? What if they do pick ups at the mall? What if I live on a corner, can I have 10 trips per road?
    What if little Susie forgets her doll at daycare and the parent turns back, is that another trip? What if a parent/child go to the daycare house as "guests", not paying customers, does this count also?

    I think time needs to be a factor. Would 10 car trips bother anyone over a several hour period? I doubt it. but with your "language", it would not be allowed.

    Oh bright guy, what if all of the daycare customers are residents of Broadlands? Then your "language" is moot.
     
  17. GeauxTigers

    GeauxTigers Member

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    Sounds great! I can't wait to tell all my friends to stop by your house on their way to work just to say hi! :pofl:
     
  18. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    Are these teenagers running a business out of their home with their friends where clients are coming to their house?

    Whatever rule comes into play here would specifically target that, at least I would think.

    This is about Home Based Businesses and the traffic that it specifially generates.

    Someone having teenagers coming and going every day is a different matter and should be addressed differently.
     
  19. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    Post yours then. My suggestion was just that, and since only Lee and I have actually proposed language, we're the only ones who are trying to be part of a solution, while you are focused on continuing the negativity and bitterness that are a hallmark of your posting behavior.

    While your post was riddled with unproductive vitriol, I admit that's a good point. The language could be modified to specify that the restriction applies only to 10 non-resident vehicle trips that occur with a certain timeframe. I'm open to suggestions about an appropriate timeframe.

    Finally, I think the language could also be modified to specify that non-resident, in the context of the restrictions, means the property owner of the residence in question, not all Broadlands residents.

    Trespassers are not welcome.
     
  20. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    No need for me to post any suggestions since I am a fence sitter on this subject. As Lee would say, it is a lose lose situation. One side wants as many child allowable by law (when they decide to follow it), the other side wants an unused street (except by them and for their children to play in). Yes, I used extremes since it sounds like neither side will budge in their wishes.

    As for you and Lee trying to solve this problem, well, let's just say I hurt myself falling out of my chair from the laughter. And if I am bitter, it is only towards your posts since they are NEGATIVE and BITTER. ;)

    As for "vitriol", I have pretty much stayed out of this thread so for you to accuse me is ludicrous. Mrs Baker appears not to have any issues with me. ;)

    And finally, I think language should be discussed ONLY if the HOA decides to get involved.

    And why do you only want to get involved from afar Gryphon? If you truly care as much as you posture at times, then join a committee, run for the Board, become a forum admin and see what pain they suffer from "certain" posters.
     

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