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Pit Bull off lease

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Tree417, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    wow. sure he has them under his control---- UNTIL HE DOESN'T. :screwy: that's an awful interpretation of the law. i have MY dog under my control until it sees a rabbit or squirrel, and then poof- suddenly all the training on earth means zippo.

    sorry you have to deal with this situation tree. :(
  2. GeauxTigers

    GeauxTigers Member

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    That seems to be in direct contradiction to this statement in the Loudoun website documentation. Is it just me or does the below not sound like a "leash law"? I guess it doesn't matter though as what is actually enforced is a lot more relevant than what is written.

    While on HOA grounds or HOA owned streets I'd agree. Once on Demott or Vestals or the respective sidewalks however I would have to think the HOA rules no longer apply since those areas are county owned.
  3. Ozgood

    Ozgood Not a space alien

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    Then why are you posting this on a discussion forum if you are not interested in other people's opinions on the matter :screwy:

    It is your right to have a narrow closed mind about pit bulls, but to post your opinons on a discussion forum and state, that you don't want to hear opposing viewpoints seems to go against the whole purpose of a discussion forum.

    Don't it?:conf2:
  4. Hypurman1

    Hypurman1 New Member

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    Alright, I see this post has long since dried up and died, but after reading it I just feel compelled to post a reply.

    First, Animal Control is right. A TRAINED dog is under "direct control" of it's owner or custodian. This is true of any dog, regardless of breed. So to the guy that said HIS dog looses his mind any time it sees a rabbit or squirrel? You have a poorly trained dog. Blame yourself and don't think other dogs are as dumb as yours.

    Secondly, in this Technological Age, what exactly constitutes a leash? One poster replied she uses an invisible fence. I use a vibrating collar with a remote control, so it's a digital leash. Not only that, but my pitbulls (vicious vicious animals) are CGC trained and certified. If you have to google what CGC stands for, you don't even deserve an opinion about how trained a dog is.

    I can't stand that people have the tenacity to get into debates with me because of the breed of dog I have, or the manner in which I control them or train them. I don't HAVE to be considerate of your irrational fears. If you're walking towards me with your little kids, you see my dog is off leash, and you see that I'm not worried AT ALL? Then there's a pretty damned good chance that you and your spawn are safe. And if you're STILL worried, you can ask, "Is your dog friendly?" "Is it alright if they come closer?" "Can you leash your dog please?" Then I could gladly explain to you that while you may not be able to see it, my dog IS leashed and also under my direct control.

    So, calm yourselves. If anything you should be grateful that the man is going out of his way to TRAIN his ferocious pitbulls.
  5. mikebnllnb

    mikebnllnb Member

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    I agree with you as long as your dog is on your property.
  6. BellaRu

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    Hypur is correct on all points. And, if you do have to look up CGC trained, you will also note that on average, pit bull type dogs have the highest pass rate of any other breed type. If you buy into the hysteria about pit bull type dogs, then you are woefully misinformed.

    Try a little research. Look up Badrap and the work they have done over the last 13 years. Search Best Friends and see how their programs have given former Vick dogs loving homes. See how many are now certified therapy dogs, working in hospitals, library reading programs and substance abuse programs. Take a moment to browse Lawdogs.com, and see how many abused pit bull type dogs are now working in law enforcement doing everything from drug enforcement, to search and rescue.

    Instead of point fingers in the faceless environment of a message board, try talking to your neighbors. Meet the dogs on your block, learn their names and most important of all - TEACH your kids how to interact with dogs! It is a human fail if a situation arises, no matter what type of dog it is.

    Screaming PIT BULLS are vicious, is the same discrimination as saying all blondes are stupid, and everyone with glasses are dorks. See how stupid that sounds?
  7. Hypurman1

    Hypurman1 New Member

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    Mikebnllnb, you're agreeing with me under the boundary of your opinion. Unfortunately, you must remember that you're wrong. As per Animal Control, and Loudoun County laws: http://inter4.loudoun.gov/controls/...&fmpath=/Ordinances/Codified/General Offenses

    "A dog running at large is a dog which is roaming, running or self-hunting off the property of its owner or custodian and is not under its owner's or custodian's immediate control. However, in any County owned public park (except for any specifically designated Aoff-leash A areas) or within any residential development in
    any unincorporated area of the County which has a density of two housing units or more to the gross acre, a dog shall be deemed to run at large while roaming, running or selfhunting off the property of its owner or custodian and not under leash control."

    So it's not just my property. My dog can be anywhere, as long as it's leashed and under my direct control. So loose-leash, the leash on the ground, an electronic leash, or training purposes (again, direct control), it DOESN"T have to just by on my property, as long as the dog isn't roaming, running, or self hunting.
  8. KTdid

    KTdid Active Member

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    I don't see any positive reinforcement using an electronic collar. Any well behaved dog can be taught obedient behavior off leash so why resort to fear?

    PS I suspected this post was from a troll but had to comment on the controversial subject.
  9. MadCat07

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    Should we know this because you don't appear worried AT ALL ?
  10. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Staff Member

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    Folks, this is a thread over 3 years old revived by someone who created an account yesterday. Just saying...
  11. MadCat07

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    Perhaps he/she moved in recently and had an encounter with a neighbor in the last few days and this spurred him/her to create an account and post here.
  12. mikebnllnb

    mikebnllnb Member

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    The problem is you live in a area where you have neighbors that rather not trust your judgement as to the level of control you may have over your dog if you choose to walk a dog of any breed off leash in the community.
  13. Hypurman1

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    Moderator, you're right. I openly started with the caveat of the age of this post and the fact that I had just come across it but wanted to write my own reply. Honestly, I didn't expect ANY reply or for anyone to come across it. So no, I'm not a "troll". I simply gave my own opinion supported by facts and the law that everyone tries to hide behind.
    I came across this thread because I WAS looking up the county laws governing leashes, and this was the first site that came up on google - not only was it informative (someone had previously written the 612 codes), but the subject was even started by a man training his pitbulls - so more than close to home it was a direct hit. I am a Dog Park Monitor at a local dogpark, and I have to educate people constantly that the dog is rarely the problem, it's the human. The exact instance that got me on this website was as follows:
    I had my pitbull by my side with his shock-collar on (and I can go into detail on my preference for such a device, but that would be a different conversation), and I was simply walking him. In the distance there was a man jogging/speed-walking with a small rodent of a dog (I honestly don't know the small breeds, so I won't pretend to say it was a Pomeranian, etc.). I saw the small dog, and so did my Pitbull. I had my dog sit, and gave the command "Leave it alone," and was going to just let it go. I didn't say Stay, or Wait, only sit, and the order to not touch the small dog. As the man approached, his tiny dog started yapping at mine. My dog stood up, and his tail was wagging. Seeing the movement the man panicked, picked up his dog, and started running at a full sprint.
    Now, anyone with any sense can see the problem here. EVERYTHING this man did was wrong. Even if my dog HAD been on a leash attached to my hand, you do not pick up the animal, and you definitely do not run. You get between you and the animals, and you shout, make large movements, but you do not panic, run, or pick up the toy dog. Any dog will think it's some game and get excited. My dog started wagging it's tail like mad and barked. The thing is? I have a TRAINED dog. He didn't even make an advance at the man, once I shouted at him to sit again, followed by a stay, he obeyed. I didnt need to use the shock collar at all. So, situation averted, right? Wrong. His wife/girlfriend was a hundred yards away with another rodent, and she wanted to give me an ear-full.
    Point is, MY dog was PERFECT, I was in the legal right, and it was HER husband that was the moron. But I have the vicious, nasty, unpredictable pitbull which should be put down.
    So, I started searching for the actual law just to make sure I WAS in the right, only to find out I was. But, I found this site, and the thread, and wanted to join in.
    You don't have to trust MY judgment as to the level of control I have over my dog. I understand that. Common sense isn't common. But you SHOULD know how to properly respond in a situation, and if you're going to throw around words like "breaking the law" and "Your dog should be put down," you better know what the hell you're talking about.
  14. mikebnllnb

    mikebnllnb Member

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    If you wish to change peoples perceptions of the Pitbull your Holier than thou attitude is not the way to do it.
  15. MadCat07

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    You aren't doing much to advance your cause here.
  16. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Most people are not aware of a "leashless" (?) leash. If someone approaches apprehensively, a friendly comment regarding such could go a long way to alleviate some peoples fear.
  17. JLC

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    Along these lines, I wish more people with invisible fences would have some sort of notice that they have one. More than once I've been walking on a sidewalk and have had a dog run towards me barking and I crossed my fingers that there was an invisible fence.
  18. BzyCookn

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    Hey, thanks a bunch for clarifying the law to all of us potential "morons"! I'm so glad I have this in writing. Next time I'm on foot with my children, and find your dog unleashed again, I'll be sure to hand over your comments to the sheriff's office once they arrive. Thanks for saving me oodles of time! Cheers!
  19. Hypurman1

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    Ooo! Passive aggressive threats are so much fun! I'm glad I could save you oodles of time :) But, let me save you some more time. Loudoun County Sheriff's Office (LCSO) doesn't deal with cases like this.:nono: So be sure to call Animal Control.
    http://www.loudoun.gov/index.aspx?nid=618
    Eastern Loudoun
    Ph: 703-777-0406
    Western Loudoun
    Ph: 540-882-3211

    And you're calling in reference of someone (in your opinion) violating Loudoun County Ordinance Chapter 612.02 (m) and (y), and Virginia Code § 3.2-6538, and § 3.2-6539.

    Cheers!:clap:
  20. Capricorn1964

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    If anyone's dog (notice that I am being general here and not towards anyone in particular) is unleashed and for some unknown reason does bite someone, I would hope that the owner of the dog has a GOOD insurance policy to cover the injuries and potential lawsuit.

    I've been bitten by someone's unleashed dog when I was young kid walking across a playground (and no, I didn't accost the dog at all!) Suffice to say, lawyers got involved and dog was taken away by animal control. Owner then was dogless after that since the dog didn't have his rabies shots at the time.

    Peace!

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