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Then why would HCA close theirs?

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Donna, Nov 17, 2004.

  1. Donna

    Donna New Member

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    Mental Health Care Emergency Looms, N.Va. Officials Warn

    By Eric M. Weiss
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, November 17, 2004; Page B01

    Four psychiatric wards in Northern Virginia have closed recently or will be shut down soon, eliminating 100 beds and threatening to create a mental health care crisis, health officials say.

    The closures at four suburban hospitals are the result of national trends in health care economics, but the fallout could mean longer waits in emergency rooms, more mentally ill patients in jails and fewer options for very troubled -- and occasionally dangerous -- people, mental health advocates say. [:0]

    The closure of the psychiatric unit at Potomac Hospital, above, and at three other hospitals puts more pressure on the sole state-run hospital. (Margaret Thomas -- The Washington Post)

    "You have to practically die before you're able to get any help," said Dotti McKee, whose schizophrenic son has been shuttled from hospitals to homeless shelters to jail cells in Fairfax.

    The recent closure of the psychiatric units at Potomac Hospital in Woodbridge and Inova Alexandria Hospital and the planned closure of Dominion Hospital in Falls Church and Northern Virginia Community Hospital in Arlington will place more pressure on the sole state-run hospital in the area, which is already over capacity.

    "A drastic situation is going to get a lot worse," said George Barker, associate director of the Health Systems Agency of Northern Virginia, a regional health planning agency. "It raises major concerns about how all these people will be accommodated."

    The disappearance of psychiatric beds in Northern Virginia grows out of an ad hoc national mental health system in which resources and economic incentives do not match needs, advocates and planners say. There is desperate demand for short-term options for mentally ill people in their own communities -- acute-care hospital beds, halfway houses, outpatient support services and detoxification programs.

    But public and private insurance reimbursement rates, which cover a fraction of the cost of care, make mental health a financial loser. Also, more than one-fourth of mentally ill patients have no insurance, health officials say, meaning hospitals often swallow the cost of care.

    Potomac Hospital closed its 12-bed psychiatric unit three weeks ago after losing what it said was $4.7 million on mental health services since 1998.

    "Basically, it was a cost issue,'' hospital spokesman Leigh Dunlap said.

    A growing national nurse shortage means that even when there is an empty bed at a private or community hospital, a patient may be turned away because appropriate staff members are unavailable to provide care to a difficult or violent patient.

    The overall result is that there are fewer options for some of the region's most vulnerable and sickest people.

    While the bed situation in Northern Virginia is especially acute, shortages in mental health care are chronic across the region, given continuing budget problems in local and state governments. To save money this year, Maryland closed down a 200-bed mental hospital in Crownsville and transferred its patients to other hospitals, leading patient advocates to warn that shortages of available inpatient beds could be a problem down the road.

    In Prince William, Rita Romano, a Community Services Board staff member, said she has to make dozens of calls to find a bed for a sick patient. Sometimes that bed is as far away as Hampton Roads. Other times, patients sit in hospital emergency rooms or handcuffed in police cruisers because there is nowhere else for them to go.

    "We're kind of holding our breath here just to find out what is going to happen,'' Romano said, referring to the wave of expected closings.

    There are even cases in which police have charged patients with minor offenses just to get them into an environment, such as jail, with some supervision, Romano and others said.

    She said many patients come to her organization from law enforcement, and if a bed cannot be found, they can be released by a magistrate after four hours. [:0]

    "Now you're really into scary territory. . . . We're not talking the severely depressed, we're talking imminent risks, a dangerous situation.'' [:0]

    A few weeks before Potomac Hospital closed its mental ward, Inova Alexandria shut down its 19-bed psychiatric unit, transferring seven beds to the company's Mount Vernon Hospital, according to an Inova spokeswoman.

    The for-profit Healthcare Corp. of America is planning to close the 100-bed Dominion Psychiatric Hospital in Falls Church and the 20-bed psychiatric ward at Northern Virginia Community Hospital in Arlington. HCA, which says its beds are frequently empty, is planning a 40-bed youth mental health facility as part of a planned new hospital in Loudoun.

    A dangerous situation is exactly what Dotti McKee's son, Mike, found himself in in September 2003. Mike, 35, who is diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, felt himself relapsing and made his way to the Woodburn Center for Community Mental Health in Annandale, which is run by Fairfax County. [:0]

    "They told him there were no beds available,'' said McKee, who did not want her son's last name used. Mike, a college graduate, soon found himself in a homeless shelter, where he got into a fight with another resident. Then, his condition worsening, he attacked two teenagers on a bus.

    "He thought they were talking about killing me,'' McKee said.

    That incident landed him in Fairfax County Adult Detention Center, where he stayed in near isolation for 37 days, McKee said. McKee said she met with county authorities and begged them to send Mike to a mental hospital, but they said he was not in "imminent danger.''

    Mike then stopped eating and lost 30 pounds in jail.

    "He figured if he did something drastic he could get a bed,'' said McKee, who now serves on her local board of the National Association of the Mentally Ill.

    He was soon sent to Western State Hospital and now is at the state-run Northern Virginia Mental Health Institute in Fairfax, where McKee said he is finally getting the help he needs.

    "If they would have put him in a bed the first time, he would have balanced his meds and he would not have wound up in jail or in the hospital for so long,'' she said.

    James Kelly, a psychologist and manager of emergency services at the outpatient Woodburn Center, said he could not comment on the specifics of Mike's case.

    But, he said: "I can't think of a time when someone who was seriously needing hospitalization was turned away. It might take a while, but we would figure it out.''

    One thing is clear: There are not enough beds at state-run hospitals for all of those in need in Northern Virginia. :(

    Lynn DeLacy, director of the Northern Virginia Mental Health Institute, said her 127 beds are almost always full. The state has to "buy'' dozens of additional slots at private hospitals daily to take care of those most in need. Most of them are indigent or have been ordered detained by the courts.

    On a recent tour of the hospital, which is discreetly behind Inova Fairfax Hospital, some patients were preparing for a plant sale. Others were reading newspapers, and still others were getting their daily exercise, walking an internal route around the sprawling, single-story hospital. But a few sat forlornly and alone, including one who had a jacket covering his head. [:0]

    DeLacy said just counting beds is not the answer.

    "The simple answer is more beds. But we need more community resources to get people out of the hospitals and back into the community,'' said DeLacy, who co-authored a study of the bed shortage last summer.

    Her co-author, James A. Thur, executive director of the Fairfax-Falls Church Community Services Board, said the answer is more, broader services to meet the growing need. Their report recommends better reimbursement rates for inpatient hospitalization and additional funding for other, less intensive care.

    "Across the commonwealth, residential care, day treatment, medications, all of these things are universally underfunded,'' Thur said. "And that increases the likelihood that someone will need inpatient care.''
     
  2. SoxFan

    SoxFan New Member

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    Donna,

    First...HCA is relocating not closing down.

    Second...when will you answer my question about who funded your letter/s to the broadlands residents stating almost identical words of Tony Raker and his letter?

    Third...How secure is your job now that INOVA bought you guys out? Oh sorry...I think you call it a "merger" ;)
     
  3. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    I don't understand this post. Are you asking why HCA is closing their Falls Church and Arlington facilities? If so, it would seem like the answer is right here in the article:
    Sounds like companies don't want to operate them because they are not profitable ("Basically, it was a cost issue.") Inova is closing one, too. What's the point? I don't get it.
     
  4. SoxFan

    SoxFan New Member

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    Once again its Donna futile attempt at slamming HCA.
     
  5. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    This article essentially validates what HCA has been saying all along. That stand alone mental health facilities are no longer viable, and that treating mental health issues is more appropriate in hospital environments.
    Also note that the Dominion hospital was noted as being in need of replacement by the HSANV, even though they recommended denial of the BRMC application.
     
  6. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    I agree Cliff, and I think the article is a good one. I am not so sure what the immature faces mean. [:0]

    I think it ironic, past posts BLASTED the inclusion of mental health facilities at HCA, and now there is crying about not enough.

    I'd like to know INOVA Loudoun's plan for this community need. I know HCA's.

    What we really need is an "incinerator" to get rid of all this hypocracy.

     
  7. boomertsfx

    boomertsfx Booyakasha!

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    John Kerry has a plan...
     
  8. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    But Donna does not have anything against HCA, only that they were going to build so close to Loudoun (INOVA) Hospital. ;)

     
  9. exrook

    exrook New Member

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    Then why would INOVA close theirs???
     
  10. jeanne

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    Donna…a little confused with the heading of this thread… as SoxFan stated, HCA is not closing their mental health facility…they are moving the beds to a state of the art, full service hospital that happens to include a child and adolescent mental health unit, right here in Broadlands!

    Good question, exrook…with the shortage of mental health beds…why did Inova eliminate mental health beds at their Alexandria location and Potomac Hospital, which is an affiliate of Inova?

    Donna, your posting this article leads us to believe that you are concerned with the shortage of mental health beds… what does this shortage mean to the Inova/LHI Cornwall facility and their adult mental health unit? Are their beds frequently empty, or is their mental health unit full for the most part? Might Inova close this unit, as well?

    I think the article emphasizes the importance of early intervention with mental health care. Quick diagnosis and appropriate treatment in a short term inpatient facility, such as BRMC for children and adolescents, will prevent the unfortunate circumstances that “Mike” referenced in your article now faces as an adult.

    Also, while delighted with the takeover by Inova of LHI and their plans to meet the healthcare needs of our county,we are still in need of a second hospital today. Can you give us a timeframe of when they might build the hospital on Rt. 50? Do they already have the property? Is it the same property that Greenvest (the yet to be approved development) was going to proffer to LHI? What happens if Greenvest‘s proposal is not approved? When will Inova apply for a COPN for the hospital?

    Your post of this article has prompted lots of questions from everyone...I hope you will take the time to address them.
     
  11. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    If you're going to rely on a Hospital on rt 50 to satisfy the perceived need here in Ashburn you may as well got to Reston or Fair Oaks. It'll be the same distance and I dare say going to Reston would be more direct.

    The need for another hospital is not real. We have Ashburn Professional Medical center right at Claiborne and Ashburn Farm. Not to mention the new medical building on waxpool by the Post office. Someone on here made good point in the Hospital thread.

    If more people used these for day-to-day injuries instead of going to the ER for every boo-boo that a yard ape sustains then the ERs would not be overloaded and we wouldn't need another Hospital (or think we did b/c we had to wait four hours to see a Doctor).

    And you slam Donna for Inova closing it's hospital although they too are transfering a percentage of its beds just like HCA. You make HCA out to be transfering ALL of the beds but in fact they are transfering 33% of their beds here. Where is the other 66%? Please don't paint HCA out to be the savior. If you do I have some gold disks for you! ;)
     
  12. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    HS: I'll leave the hospital bed need to the professionals. The state already has determined the need. Non-starter argument.

    By the way, I note the following from your post: "Someone on here made good point in the Hospital thread." Are you sure Dang.Yu.Hyung doesn't use your computer? :)


     
  13. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    It wasn't dang, I think it was Brim. Anyway if Dang used my computer he would have my IP and I would be banned like Chris. So sorry, try again.
     
  14. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    I am still not buying. Hummm, interesting you bring up Chris again, hummmm.

    p.s. people spoof IP address all the time. Or have another connection with a different IP address. Just an observation.

     
  15. exrook

    exrook New Member

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    It seemed to me that Donna was throwing stones from the porch of her new "merged" glass house.

    She started the topic, choosing the title to imply that HCA was doing something terrible - while INOVA was doing the exact same thing.
     
  16. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    <sarcasm>
    Yes, you got me! I am Dang, Chris and all the other Chris alts. One person on this board is the cause of all the ruckus all this time.
    </sarcasm>

    Really! You seem to be a logical person but you miss the fact that Chris got caught with multiple alts by an IP trace. So if I was Chris, I would have been caught then since I didn't bother covering my tracks with Chris and the alts. Really, this forum, and pissing off the population in general is not a high enough priorty of mine to go to the trouble of pulling off a Dang.

    Occam's razor, look it up. I find it more reasonable that Dang is either a lurker who posts for effect or Dang is Chris spoofing.
     
  17. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    I agree, but to spin it around to the otherside isn't right either. You can't condemn either Hospital if both are doing it (which they are).
     
  18. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    You're probably right, never mind.

     
  19. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    Or maybe Dang is just Dang, and you all should be ashamed of yourselves for making fun of the fact that he has not mastered the English language...

    :D
     
  20. marielaveau

    marielaveau Voodoo Queen

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    Well Dang hasn't put any of the rumors to rest .... adding to the court intrigue!

    What say you Dang ... ??? :D
     

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