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Tragic Story in Broadlands Last Night

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Tech Head, Mar 28, 2004.

  1. veronicasmommi

    veronicasmommi New Member

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    As to Brim, I am leagally responsible for anything my child does till she is 18. Till then, my husband and I are fullyl responsible for my child's actions.
     
  2. brim

    brim Member

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    Sure, in a legal sense...but you can still blame parents can't you? I'm on the fence on this one as far as who's fault it is, but I'm leaning more towards the parents for raising a a kid that would do something like that, but then again I feel the kid is old enough to know right from wrong regardless of upbringing.
     
  3. Mearen

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    This is just symantecs used to justify the word accident in the first place. Giving him the keys caused this 'accident' just as much as if they were driving themselves.
     
  4. veronicasmommi

    veronicasmommi New Member

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    Simple fact remains, if the parents would not have given kid the keys, kid would not have been driving, accident wouldn't have happened, two kids would still be alive.
     
  5. MD_boy

    MD_boy New Member

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    If the parents gave him the keys (is there evidence of this?) then they do have to accept some responsibility. A vehicle is not a toy to play around in. In this country there are more people killed by auto accidents than by firearms. Would give your 15 year old a gun before he had the proper training? Giving the keys to the car is no different.
    If it was a situation where he took the truck without permission then I don't see fault in the parents actions. No matter how well they are raised, teens will do stupid things. Between peer pressure, growing independence and all the other influences teens are exposed to, even the best parents cannot completely control the actions of their teenager.
     
  6. teak

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    Here's my $.02 worth.

    Only person at fault so far is the driver. He should not have been driving nor in that area of the accident. He probably wanted to act cool or show off. He could have gotten the truck without the parents permission. Bonehead parents if they gave him the keys.

    Two kids who died may also be at fault for riding in the back of the truck. They may have known it's illegal to ride in the back of a truck bed. Too early to say if they knew the driver was going to drive recklessly. I'm thinking all three were in that area for a thrill ride.

    Only people I feel bad for are the parents for the dead and the kid who might be going to jail. He just f'ed his life. I had times in my life when I was about their age to ruin my life. But I didn't. High school friends of mine went to jail, one was put to death on deathrow, and others are assumed criminals. Easy access to a bad life if I stuck with these people.

    Hopefully the other kids at school will remember what happened and not make the same mistake when they're in a bad "situation". Peer pressure is tough and the only thing to combact that is will power of the person.

    I think we'll see more stupid acts from teens and young adults. It's part of growing up. I think there is absolutely not much to do around ashburn for teens. There's street racing going on around our area. Maybe not inside Ashburn but definitely near it. I've talked to some teens in the area but I'm not sure if they're from Ashburn.

    Parents are going to have a tough time protecting their kids. Some kids will listen and others will do their own thing. Once peer pressure kicks in, it's tough to break away. Everyone wants to fit in and be cool.

    -Teak
     
  7. DAD4

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    I have yet to read, or hear on the news reports who's vehicle this was that this child was driving. Also I have not read or heard on the news reports that the parents gave their son the keys, and he had the vehicle with the parents fully aware of it. Could someone please tell me where to find this information? For whatever reason, I can't rely on hear say, if that's the case.
     
  8. GCyr

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    From the Leesburg2Today web site (http://www.leesburg2day.com/current.cfm?catid=6&newsid=8718)

    "The truck belonged to the unidentified juvenile's parents, [Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Kraig] Troxell said. Troxell said the 15-year-old driver did not have a learner's permit and should not have been operating the vehicle."

    Don't know if that means he took the truck without his parent's permission or shouldn't have been operating it because he didn't have a license.



     
  9. veronicasmommi

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    On the news the other day it said Loudoun County Sherriff says youth did not have learners permit and was frequently allowed to drive the vehicle.
     
  10. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Broke what law? The law is about driving, not giving away keys. Don't confuse civil liability with breaking the law.

    That is the key.. not 'making sure the situation doesn't happen'. To these people saying 'the kid shouldn't have been out', etc.. Yes.. but you know what, at some point it will be 11pm and he will be out and when faced with the same challenge, it will be the kid who has to make the decision.. not the parents. So putting the kid in lockdown is not the solution to avoid these kinds of accidents.

    Making every decision for your children without building their knowledge or experience in the area will simply hurt them rather then helping them. IE not letting them goto the party, EVER, vs going to the party and being responsible.


    -Steve
     
  11. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    No but it also doesn't permanently damage you or label every action you take in the future. IE the earlier posts about someone saying they were good kids, and other people saying how could they be if they did these things and made these poor decisions. No one is perfect, but also doing things does not permently flaw you either.

    To an extent.. But again you can always not dictate to an individual what their beliefs should be. They need to believe themselves, and sometimes that takes experience.


    So what's the solution? Lockdown? Make sure the situation never could have happened? What if the kid was 16 and was licensed? Does that make the situation any different? No.. because the kid would have been faced with the same decisions at the key time. Does it make a difference for perception on what the parents did.. of course, but when it gets back to the meat of the problem.. an accident .. the parents had zero control of that momment in time.

    The parents didn't put anyone in that truck. The parents didn't tell anyone to run reckless. The parents could have helped PREVENT it, but they didn't cause it. If the kids stole the car and were joy riding, the result would have been just the same.

    -Steve
     
  12. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    You're responsible for them, but not 'for anything my child does'. If a kid kills another kid with a gun, you don't goto jail. You are legally responsible to care for them and finacially responsible for them, but you aren't held by proxy to their criminal actions.

    -Steve
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    What if a parent buys a car for a 16yr licensed driver? Does that make them responsible for an accident the kid gets into later? No

    You all are taking the action that they were not SUPPOSED to let him drive and making that therefore the REASON for the accident. That simply doesn't make sense. Now if they didn't let him have the car, it could have PREVENTED the accident, but it didn't cause it.

    That paragraph is what people here fail to grasp. If you followed your logic, the line of accountability backwards is infinite.

    -Steve
     
  14. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    And to the kids posting there is nothing to do in Ashburn. Wake up. Every kid says that about where ever they grew up. There is PLENTY around here. Go-karts, Golf, Batting Cages, Ice-skating, Shopping, Parks, sports, food, etc. And thats just in Ashburn/Sterling. Go further and there is professional sports, museums, etc pretty much anything you could think of.

    Try growing up in a town where the closest mall was an hour away... or where you nearest neighbor was a mile away, or where a 'sit down resturant' was IHOP, etc. Kids will always complain there is nothing to do, regardless of what is around them.

    Kids in these suburbs have it good. Plenty of safe areas, proximity to community recreation, proximity to commercial recreation, professional sports, high density of peer-aged people, etc.

    I mean.. you even have highly specialized things like roller hockey rings!! Pfft.. we were lucky to have basketball hoops that were even level.. let alone have the nasty chains, etc. In the scheme of things.. Ashburn is a good place to grow up.

    -Steve
     
  15. brim

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    I know...can you believe two people (afgm and nvhome) had an 'amen' to add to her statements? So far, me, you, and smythla are the only ones to mention anything about the pathetic 'there's nothing to do, so we drink and do drugs and get in trouble' statement.
     
  16. Mearen

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    You might want to check again, until your children are 18 you are 100% responsible for their actions.
     
  17. T8erman

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    I lived in Loudoun during my teen/HS years back in the 70's and there was plenty to do back then. There is so much more to do in this area that using that excuse is a complete cop-out.

    Maybe, just MAYBE, the teen was trying to rationalize (incorrectly IMO) why teeagers do what they "shouldn't" do.
     
  18. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Not even close Mearan. 16 is considered "of legal age" for many actions (ill or otherwise) in Virginia.

    If you kid cheats and gets caught at school, you going to take their detention. Just an example of where you "100% responsibility is not reasonable or expected.
     
  19. JenCo

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    I am an adult and I know Pink7. I'm pretty darn sure she wasn't referring to herself when discussing what some teens do. IMO she was making a rationalization as to why some</u> kids act that way. It's fine and dandy to blast her but she was giving you a teens perspective. Amen to that for those of you that don't have kids/teens and wouldn't know otherwise. The fact that this is what some young people think is what makes it a true statement. (btw..I know a couple of adults that seem to have nothing better to do than potentially harmful activities, this is not a teen only problem)

    There are wonderful things to do in this area but a lot of them cost money. Ok, get a job to get the money. But then you need a car and have to drive. Ok, get someone to drive you. If your parents aren't home from work, who's going to drive you? Another teen?

    There are unlimited arguments to almost every post on this forum. Some are more rational and realistic than others.

    My thoughts and prayers will continue to go out to the families affected by this accident.
     
  20. brim

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    Be it a teen's perspective or personal experience, it's wrong in all regards. I'm sure with all the money people make in this area, it's not that much of a pinch on the wallet to give your kids a good enough allowance to be able to go do things in the community until they're old enough (and proven responsible enough) to get a job and help pay their own way.

    Frankly, I'm tired of all the parent's on here up on their high horse blasting all the 'non-parents' for their input. If you'll pay attention, most of the things non-parents are suggesting is nothing but common sense...you certianly don't have to be a parent to have that. Give that argument a rest, please...it's not like non-parents are saying 'leave your kids in the garage overnight!' or 'let them mix chemicals under the sink!'
     

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