Broadlands Hospital

So let's put some numbers to Lee's suppositions and correct some mistakes.
The hospital itself, at it's closest point, is over 600 feet from Broadlands Blvd. It is about 250 feet from the back of the property.

The second medical office building, when built, will be 400 feet from Broadlands Blvd.

There is ONE, not two, parking garages. When built, it will be over 500 feet from Broadlands Blvd, north of Education Drive.

Lastly, the front parking area has EXACTLY what you recommend.....a second level, below grade parking deck.

Any potential office park use for this site would most likely not have anywhere near the setback distance from Broadlands Blvd. the hospital is proposing.

Yes, there is one area listed for "future planning". It is at the corner of Broadlands Blvd and Belmont Ridge. The nearest homes are several hundred feet away and were built in the last two years, long after the hospital was proposed and these folks are aware it may yet be built.

And Lee, I notice you conveniently don't mention the 4-acre parcel, close to the residents, that HCA has committed to never build on and use the property for an HOA use (and help fund it).
That's A $1,000,000 plus piece of land being dedicated to the HOA. Gee, what a rotten neighbor!

Lee, you continually demonstrate that the only knowledge you have is what can be found at your fingertips on your keyboard. And, once again, most of your "knowledge" is lacking in facts or substance.

 

Well Cliff you have telling people that the hospital is in the far back of the site when in fact it is not. Yes I am correct that they are going build the last tall medical buildings buildings closest to the homes later. Old developer trick.

The site plan speaks for itself and I love the fact they included the school building in it to give everybody some reference. There is plenty of land along the greenway to reconfigure this site so all the buildings are up by the greenway more like the school building and putting the garages below the proposed medical buildings. That way you could extend that wonderful park or widen substanially the buffer all the way along broadlands blvd and the hospital would get what they want and the residents get a nice buffer. These buildings can go as high as the top of the roof of the school building which the hospital design looks like. Which will look taller then the school building and more massive because the sloping roof of the school building brings it down visually.

400' feet in real life is not very far when you have a 100 foot tall building looking down at you. I am looking to the street behind me which is a little further then 400 feet all I can say is a hundred foot tall building sitting on that street behind me would be very imposing. They could easily redesign this complex and have a real win win and A lot of land in front as parkland or a very wide buffer. But this is certainly not on the back of the site like the school building is against the greenway. I got it they need all that SPACE BEHIND THE HOSPITAL TO SNEAK IN THE HELIPORT LATER. Tricky those hospital people they are. And the site plan has labeled TWO parking decks in the front of the hospital up against the front buffer one is a two level and the other is a one level off the ground. I could start off like you Cliff like you say the need to correct misinformation, but I will end it that way correcting misinformation.

 

Hey Lee,
Relax on the helo. When I was at UVA, the Helo cost about $2k per hour to fly and that's was way back when when AvGas cost a LOT less.

Besides there is already a life flight helo in Fairfax. I doubt VERY much the state's going to let that "fly". MedEvac programs across the country are being looked at...for the cost and safety. There are going to be less and less of these programs...not more.

 

No sir, I cannot agree. This is nothing but MONEY! Inova doesn't want it's monopoly broken. I say tough... compete. Health care is MUCH better when they are forced to compete for your dollars.

 

Yes they are tricky. That's why, in order to avoid conspiritorial comments like yours, they have shown planned further build out to include both medical office biolings and the parking garage, plus the addition to the hospital itself.
They haven't shown anything yet on the corner you seem to be most obsessed with because that development would be so far in the future, they don't yet know what it will be.

The hospital is in the back corner. If you look at the topography as well as the required 100 foot required buffer from the rear property line, plus room for the emergency entrance they added off Belmont Ridge, you will see that the building is as far back as it could be.
And, hopefully, they will get the helipad added at some point.

 

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Yes they are tricky because what we see in this attached rendering which is the most visual and tallest mass of the hospital complex is not in the back corner of the site. This is what people think is going way back in that corner when they see the rendering of this hospital. But what is really back there I assume is the emergency entrance and operating rooms etc which we don't have a picture of but my guess that section is low possibly one story two at the most as to not block the windows of the main hospital. So from this rendering attached I assume the left side is the main hospital with a portecochere in between the two wings of the hospital and the left side is an attached massive medical offices number 2 on the site plan. With it's own portecochere. How convenient not to color the medical office 2 on the site plan that is coming right at broadlands blvd and looks massive in the rendering. So to the average person without color on that building 2 on the site plan it fools the eye into not noticing how close that building is really to those homes across the street. As close as parts of clydes is to the street not way back in the corner. And the rendering does not even show the left medical offices 1 which will look like another massive wing as big as the one shown or detached but close enough to look almost attached.

All I am saying is the major tall visual mass of this hospital which is shown in the attached rendering is not way back in the corner like you are all selling it as that is most likely a low building emergency area that really is in the back corner. The major tall mass of this complex shown in the rendering is way forward of that corner.

What I am saying is move the emergency to the side of the hospital adjoining belmont, because first you would not need that long drive to the emergency entrance. Second it allows you to move the tall visual mass back into the corner and much closer to the greenway. Put the parking garages under the medical offices. That gets the visual mass much further back from the residential. And now you would have room to extend the park across the entire length of broadlands blvd if you continue it to belmont thru the not talked about corner site. And you still get everything the hospital wants and the residents get a park the entire length of broadlands blvd not just a buffer. Now that is a win win for the hospital and the residents across the street. Everybody wins.

Don't tell people the hospital is in the back corner because when they start building it as shown the biggest and tallest mass of this complex is getting far closer to broadlands blvd then what people think and part of it is really close to broadlands blvd compared to the school building. My idea and plan also gets those parking garages also way away from broadlands blvd by going under the office and leaves more land for buffer or better yet extending the park all the way to belmont.

 

Lee, based on the people who are posting about offsets, bldg height and size, you are the only one who cares.

This issue is now your most recent obsession with this hospital. LET IT GO!

 

T8 I am not obsessed I am only trying to get to the truth of what is being told to the public and what is really going where. The problem is many don't like to get involved because they don't want to be ridiculed and torn apart by the obsessive pro hospital people. My private communications with people support that.

I just have a very tough skin. THere are many factors happening with this hospital. One it's a very very high profile land use issue and how it will look compared to what is being told is a major issue. What we see in the rendering is not what is in the back corner of the site. What I am saying after seeing the site plan finally and if you just must have a hospital on that corner design one that will look like what is being sold to the masses to appease them. And what could really work and the hospital has the room to do it if redesigned is extend that park all the way across the broadlands blvd to belmont not just a narrow buffer which would mitigate the impact of the hospital tremendously. Orbital is doing a fairly nice job of saving trees where their new building are going up considering what they had to work with to begin with. Orbital are good neighbor developers.

T8 another reason people have not complained yet is because they think the tall massive buildings in the renderings are way back in the corner like Cliff has been saying for years now. Now the new story is it is the low part of the hospital back there which would not have much visual impact anyway. And a huge tall wing on the right side of the rendering is shooting toward broadlands blvd as close as parts of clydes along with the future parking garages which are right up against the buffer as close as clydes.. That is NOT mitigating the impact of this huge massive complex. Clydes is a beautiful residential style farmhouse building, which is basically one story. A wonderful visual transition from residential to commercial. Not a potential 100' high massive building wing that looks like a bunch of flex buildings stacked on top of each other. I say the hospital needs to redesign to give the public what they are selling them. People usually cannot visualize the impact until it is too late and it is already being built. The time to redesign is now not after construction when people really do realize what they are getting.

I am sure Mr Linux wishes Dalyn was in town this weekend

 

Lee, don't you think if it were a REAL issue, Inova would be all over it?

Inova has used certain scare tactics but I have not seen one that says "BRMC designed poorly". It is only you that thinks the architecture/design/offsets.. are a "show stopper".

As I said before, I doubt anyone TRULY cares but you.

 

Lee-
This is all flat out UNTRUE, and your lack of background of the whole hospital proposal is showing.
1) First, this "rendering" is the same identical one used the last time around. There is no "new story". It's the same thing!
2) The Medical Office Buildings have always been showed on their plans. They were both fully explained at all their presentations last time around.
Partly to fend off ridiculous scare tactics such as your own.
3) There is NO PART of this complex that is anywhere near as close to Broadlands Blvd as Clyde's is. As I have previously pointed out, the nearest point of any building to Broadlands Blvd is OVER 400 feet.
If you want to argue that one, let's get another $1000 bet going.
It is true that there will be parking that is closer to Broadlands Blvd than that.

You continually argue about the size of the hospital and office buildings.
Is your problem more with the amount of development that can occur on that piece of property or the hospital itself?
A by-right office park will have much greater square footage and the buildings would be closer to Broadlands Blvd, and the property could be essentially clearcut. All of this with ZERO input from the public.

 

First who cares what could be built because their is no proposal, by repeating that over and over is fear mongering.

Second clydes is a one story building not a 100' high flex style building. The front of office two would fall right somewhere as close to the road as about the middle of the big back room of clydes only it will be a hell of a lot taller and more massive. I measured it off the newspaper site plan if is accucurate. The hospital does not show medical office two in color or the parking garages in color is that to lessen the inpact to the public.

You are miss understanding me when I talk about the renderings or are trying to mislead people what I am saying as you are about this hospital is way back on the property. The reason why it is mis leading is the buildings in the rendering is what will have the biggest impact visually and those massive tall towers are not in the back of the property. And the rendering is misleading because it does not sjhow medical tower 1 only medical tower 2 is that because if they put the two towers in the rendering it would look so massive it might scare people. Cliff I draw renderings and site plans everyday and have to explain to my clients what it will really look like. I do that by taking them to buildings that are already built and show them the impact on the site is similar. THat way they see in real life what impact a hundred foot high building looks like only 400 ft back. I noticed they have done no color 3d rendering of the entire site as one loudoun has done and moorefield and even Kincora. I believe they are afraid to showe a rendering like that because it would look far more massive that way and they want to avoid showing that.

I am glad they added the school building on the site plan because it shows how tiny that building is in comparison to the hospital complex. Of coures it would look even more massive if the mysterious missing color was added to office 2 and the parking garages and they were also added them to the 3d rendering. The public would see a very different look to this site. Interesting how these key elements are missing which has the greatest impact to the residents across the street. Smoke and mirrors and Architect and developer tricks. I have seen it done before. Lets see a 3d rendering of the entire site from across the street from broadlands blvd. Lust like the good neighbor developers do like One Loudoun and others. I can see why they did not want me to have the site plan. Give me the plans to the hospital and so I can study them and prove what I am saying in real life so you can understand it. I still say build that park across the entire length of broadlands blvd move the emergency to the belmont ridge side then you could push the hospital and medical office back to where you have been telling everybody it is and put the parking garages under the medical office in the ground and the you have what you have been really telling people where this complex is in relationship to broadlands blvd. You have a zillion post saying this hospital is in the far back like the school building which by this site plan it is in fact it is not. I plan to bring these inconsistencies and the fact what is in the 3d rendering is far closer to the street then what the public is being led to believe. Draw the whole complex not just what you want to fool the public. with.

 

Dalyn just came home a day early for the rest of the holiday's after visiting her mom for a few days and the first thing she said I hope you are leaving those hospital and broadlands people alone. Thank god she does not really know about this site or go here. So goodbye and have a very merry memorial day.

 

Lee-
I understand what you are saying.
But I am trying to find out what your real objection is here. Your posts try to imply that this facility will bring something to the site that is not already planned, which is SIGNIFICANT commercial space.
You continually, and repeatedly, refer to "massive, tall towers", when in reality they are buildings capped at 100 feet.
The reality is also that the property can be developed far more densely, and closer to Broadlands Blvd, than this hospital proposal. You call it "fear mongering" to point this out, but I call it reality.
A "by-right" office park, that offers no proffers, can have more buildings closer to the road than this. It is naivitee on your part if you think anyone spending $12,000,000 for that property wouldn't maximuze its useage.
If your point is that you'd be screaming about a "massive, high rise" office park on that site as well, then your point is well taken.

And, although you igonre them, the proffers being offered by BRMC, whioch you wouldn't get with an office park are considerable:
1) Widening Belmont Ridge to Brambleton, a $12,000,000 improvement..
2) 4-acre parcel for the HOA to use.
3) Significant additional landscaping both onsite and offsite.
4) Whatever else I can try and get from them!

You'd get none of this from a by-right office park.

 

I hope you can get them to widen Belmont Ridge Road from Truro Parish to Ryan.

 

The only smoke and mirrors here are the fact their is no 3d rendering of the entire complex like all good neighbor developers do or a model to show the true impact of this massive project to the adjoining residents especially all the while telling people is on the back of the site.

Now I know why which I have documented in emails from the hospital people themselves that they would send me drawings then did not. Because I understand site plans where can see where the tallest and massive structures are and their impact. I do this everyday draw renderings and site plans. Personally I bel;ieve the color was left off medical building 2 and the parking garages on purpose because it would show just how close these are especially since people can use the school building and clydes as a reference. My opinion and I believe also a full 3d rendering was not done of the site and all the buildings like the good neighbor developer ONE LOudoun has done as all good neighbor developers do is because the project would look far more massive then they wnat to show. The hospital on their web site shows only part of the right wing and non of the left medical building or parking garages most likely because again the public has been told in numerous posts that the complex is on the far back of this site when it is not and 3d renderings would expose that as well and show that these massive 100 ft high buildings are far closer to the residents then they have been led to believe. Smoke and mirrors which is documented in many posts. I say draw a 3d rendering of the entire site and buildings and then let the residents make up their minds not bits and pieces of what the hospital only wants us to see. Very tricky how the hospital is showing us only what they want us to see in 3d unlike ONe Loudoun and other good neighbor developers that show us everything in glorious colored 3d not bits and pices.

As far as what could of be built on the site you are using that as a diversion and distraction and more fear mongering as when their is an actual drawing of what would or could be built their is nothing so you can't use that it is only a scare tactic until we see the actual proposal and drawings.

Push everything to the back of the site like you have been saying it is and continue the park along blroadlands blvd to belmont and you have a win win. ANd believe me their is plenty of room on that site to do just what I have been promoting and you have been telling the public in numerous post that the hospital is on the back of the site. Or better yet move it off the site entirely . Now build what you are telling people not what is actually laid out on the site which is different what you have been telling us. And yes 100 feet is massive it is like stacking 5 two story homes on top of each other without the roofs.

 

Most of Clydes is a 2-story building (the stairs are IMMEDIATELY inside the front door, hard to miss) and the Barn portion of the restaurant is easily over 30 feet high.

 

A very small portion at the front is a low two story section and the barn recreated in the back is mostly hidden from the front by masteful design by the architect or designer. Clydes is a masterpiece that beautifully blends in with the character that most moved to the broadlands for.

If you look at the two cupolas on the back barn about the somewhere this is where approximately the front of the proposed 100 foot high medical building 2 will be if the scale and the approximate location where the vegetation ends and is NOT colored like the rest of the drawing and the parking garages are far closer. Not in the far back as cliff has said a bunch of times. That medical building is approximately as tall as the top of the roof of the school building and will look even more imposing because they designed it like a tall flex building with no sloped roof to soften the impact of the top of the hospital it is like looking up a sheer cliff from below. I say draw a 3d rendering of the entire complex including the future because they have already designed that and including a 100 story place holder on the corner of belmont and broadlands blvd that they don't want to talk about or show the real potential impact of. Just like all good neighbor developers do like One Loudoun and others.

Why don't they do that and settle the true impact once and for all. Again like a broken record push all the tall buildings to the back of the site like Cliff has said and is or implying by the look of the existing small partial 3d rendering they have done of the complex.

Should not be a big deal so we all can visualize he true impact of this entire complex.

A real win win is to extend the park with it's same depth from broadlands blvd. to belmont that is a real win win for everyone. And there is plenty of room to do that with a redesign putting the tall buildings in the back as Cliff says they are and people assume they will be. ANd the garages under the medical buildings in the ground. Very simple a win win and a far better visual impact from the homes. It would be known as the hospital in the park

 

Lee-
I will try to stop communicating with you on this. You will not answer my questions about the by-right zoning of the site. You will not address the proffers offered.
You will not discuss anything that doesn't support yout myopic viewpoint.

HCA showed full color drawings and renderings of the hospital, both medical office buildings, and the parking structure, just as you have asked. You haven't been following this project, so you haven't seen them yet.

Reread all the things you've said about this hospital. Why in the world do you think HCa would make any attempt to deal with you or provide you information?

Oh, and I stand by my statement of the hispital being at the back of the property.

 

Cliff I am going to only address the hospital because that is what is before us Could of beens might of be's are a non issue and a diversionary tactic.

The proffers are well known as is the small park. Again a non issue.

So Cliff you say what we see on the BRMC website that very small which shows a tiny part of the complex and a chopped off medical building 2 and non of medical building 1 or the parking garages is in the far back corner of this site????? Is that you position?????

I doubt there is any 3d color rendering of the entire site and all buildings now and future ones, because they would be showing it like proud parents like good and proud neighbor developer One Loudoun does.

Show us this fantasy 3d color rendering of the entire complex if there is indeed such a thing. I bet there is not such a thing that shows all the buildings parking garages and a 3d 100 foot tall place holder for the corner of belmont and broadlands blvd. Because non exist and for a good reason because it would show those buildings far closer to broadlands blvd then you are implying. Good tactic not to answer my questions of the very heart of all this and that is those tall buildings are not on the back of the site as you say one million times and the site plan proves it and a real truthful color rendering would expose those mis truths. I will give the fact that you can't read plans well or visualize what it will truly look like form that sort of misleading site plan by not coloring in the parking garages or medical building 2.

 

So your only defense is to call me a liar, when all it displays is your own ignorance.

Bet me a $1000, and I'll show you the colored drawings and renderings showing the entire complex: the hospital, 2 medical office buildings, and the parking garage. If you were following this issue the last time around, you would have seen them.
The $1000 is the only way to get me to interact with you.

I like your style.....you reitrerate things endlessly and obsessively, then accuse others of doing it, then when someone points out something you don't like, you call them a liar.
What a piece of work.