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Shellhorn & Ashburn Blvd

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by JJB, Mar 6, 2008.

  1. JJB

    JJB Active Member

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    Anyone have any idea when the traffic lights will be activated now that the overpass is completed?
     
  2. GeauxTigers

    GeauxTigers Member

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    Hopefully soon. I've seen two cars fly right through the stop sign in the last two weeks, one with a very close call. Last weekend there was also a fairly nasty looking accident. I am guessing careless drivers are seeing there is a light structure, not seeing a red, and just driving right through it. Honestly I think the light structure being in place but not working is way more dangerous than just the stop signs.
     
  3. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    There was a bad accident there last week. And judging by the damage to one of the vehicles, they HAD to be going fast.
     
  4. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Yup.. because of more piss poor driver education that doesn't teach you are supposed to approach traffic lights that are out as if they are stop signs... the same as if they were flashing red.

    and what overpass are you referring to???

    I assume you all are talking about the 4 way light on shellhorn before the home depot center.

    I just wish this state would learn the term ROUNDABOUT!!! For a state that can't figure out how to fund roads.. you'd think they'd understand the simple notion that traffic lights are EXPENSIVE.. maybe we should look at ways of reducing the # of them.
     
  5. christinaandrob

    christinaandrob New Member

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    a roundabout would be sooo much better here than the 4 way stops. especially at ashburn village and ryan (i think that's the interesection!). though, seeing as people can't figure out a 4 way stop, i'm not sure that they would know what to do at a roundabout ;-)
     
  6. GeorgeSC

    GeorgeSC Southern Walker

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    Hmmm Round about does sound like a better alternative....
     
  7. GeauxTigers

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    The intersection of shellhorn@ashburn village, not very close overpass. It's the 4-way light that is in place but not activated yet.

    Would that help here? Certainly the overpass at the toll road would benefit by this, but I don't see that changing the dynamics/need for the intersection in question. Unless perhaps you are suggesting this at the intersection as well, which I can't imagine would be possible.
     
  8. GeauxTigers

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    Ah, I think I was confused. By "roundabout" I was thinking you were referring to a cloverleaf style overpass. Where I come from we just call those "traffic circles". In any case I now agree that a roundabout could make sense.
     
  9. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    The learning curve is inevitable... but hopefully natural selection will take its course there :) Honestly this area in question is way more screwed up then it needed to be. There is no reason to have ashburn village blvd and shellhorn both feeding down there.

    They should have closed off shellhorn going south off waxpool.. made those townhomes access ashburn blvd and waxpool.. not shellhorn. Leave a finger off ashburn village heading north if need be to feed what should be the properties off ryan corner pt and the properties off shellhorn before you get to waxpool. Then the light could have been a T interchange or better designed when they extended Ashburn Village down to the greenway.

    And totally gotten rid of the 4 way stop at shellhorn/waxpool by closing ryan corner (and redirecting any traffic to the shellhorn finger) and closing shellhorn north up to ashburn road, leaving shellhorn to be accessed from the Ashburn Rd interchange and change that to a roundabout.

    Shellhorn north of Ashburn Village Blvd was a lame duck due to Faulknier Parkway and all we've done is made it worse by allowing development to build off of it.

    Shellhorn today just lets people cut corners and instead adds way more interchanges to the roads then is required. Reduce the lower speed interchanges to roundabouts (like shellhorn and ashburn road) or all of them to roundabouts.

    I'm not suggesting one go there explicitly.. but that the problem of 4 way interchanges in general here is exaggerated by the logic of everyone of them needs a traffic light and that VDOT isn't willing to pay for them... therefore people make the developer do it.. which makes road safety a function of business development instead of transportation management.

    The thing about roundabouts is you need them at lower speeds... roads where people have a long run up to them you need to slow the cars down before they hit the roundabout.

    The interchange at waxpool/ashburn village is a great example where one should have been done as well as the 'new' waxpool split.
     
  10. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    The best traffic solution would of been two service roads on each side of the greenway from Belmont dr. Like rt28 rt7 and rt 50 all doing the parallel service road thing. including reston on each side of the dulles tool road.

    The south side ending into 606 and the north side shellhorn going to sterling interchange. A mini version of this can still be accomplished if two proposed flex buildings are moved over a slight bit. Which I heard from the loudoun traffic engineer the flex people are resisting this. Again flex rules over common sense.
     
  11. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    some call those 'rules' RIGHTS Lee.. the things they live in this country for. More reasons why your 'dreams' aren't often connected with reality.
     
  12. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    I live in a world that is always finding a way to make changes for the better. Many things that people say can't be done have been done with much diligence and foresight. I dream of roads and buildings that are not and say why not then go do it. You live in a very methodical world which is good for what you do but it limits the the possibilities of what can happen with taking the approach it can be done. Many of the things we have today by people that did not listen to those who said it can't be done. they are the true visionaries!!! We live in too different wolds Me in the world of imagination that with enough thought almost anything can be done. You live in the very methodical world that only sees what is in front of you never looking far into the future of possibilities. Both worlds are good, you are not a visionary and nothing wrong with that, you steve are more like my engineers that every now and then need a bit of prodding to see more possibilities.
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Lee.. the difference is recognizing the boundaries and being able to figure out how to expand them - not being oblivious to them completely.

    You can spend all day dreaming.. or you can spend time making the dreams real. To get to the latter you gotta keep a teather to reality - otherwise you become a great 'artist' and not a great designer.
     
  14. JJB

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    How about going back to the question that started this thread...

    Does anyone have any idea when the traffic lights will be activated at Shellhorn and Asburn Village Drive?
     
  15. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    I make peoples dreams come to reality every day. I don't just draw pretty pictures but have to make very complex designs and construction documents simple in enough so the average construction worker that not only needs to understand and build it but has a language barrier to contend with as well many times.

    And the old bos was very interested in my vision to connect shellhorn to the sterling interchange and I have the emails to prove it. As of now everything is dumping easier to 606 and that if it happens make waxpool like like childs play if it happens. There is no direct access to the 30 to 50 million dollar interchange from shellhorn so the sterling interchange is basically going to be half useful for the most part. or far less useful then if shellhorn connected to the interchange which then gives a direct rt to rt 7 thats doable vision my good friend steve. :)
     
  16. JJB

    JJB Active Member

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    How about going back to the question that started this thread...

    Does anyone have any idea when the traffic lights will be activated at Shellhorn and Asburn Blvd?
     
  17. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    SHANGRI LA!
     
  18. Villager

    Villager Ashburn Village Resident

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    um... apparently not. :rolleyes3:
     
  19. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    If there is any history like the lights in broadlands.. don't bother wondering and just be happy when they do turn on. promises from the developers and vdot are basically worthless in these situations because 'forward planning' seems to be a foreign concept.

    The last update was from the post writer which Lee posted awhile back which said they were still trying to get the power ran.

    Wierd concept huh? Waiting until the end to try to get power to the site? These lights seem to totally move serially.. one step then the next.. nothing seems to happen in paralell and that's why the time estimates you get seem worthless. They'll tell you they are just waiting on one thing which will take X time.. then that happens and then you ask again and they go 'oh well we are waiting for Y.. which takes Z weeks'. Didn't they know it would take Z weeks before they waited to start Y?? but getting that clock started earlier seems to be a foreign concept
     
  20. GeorgeSC

    GeorgeSC Southern Walker

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    Word out on the streets is that the Bank on the corner doesnt want the power line to route through them. I don't know if they mean tapping a power line into thier power source, or actually running a line underneath/through their parking lot.

    If this is true, doesn't Eminent Domain apply?
     

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