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Beer Bandit strikes AGAIN!!

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by TeamDonzi, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Well, from my days working for a police department, once we logged all the stolen items into our computer system, we would cross-check it with a list of new 'items' for sale at local pawn shops. I worked for a smaller department back then, but you would be amazed how many robberies we were able to quickly solve in this manner. This was also in the early 90's, so things like eBay and Craigslist didn't exist back then and pawn shops were a popular way of unloading 'hot' merchandise...

    My bet is the gift cards will be sold through word of mouth in their circle of friends. Do you happen to have any record of those gift cards? Some can be flagged as stolen and replacements issued...
     
  2. TeamDonzi

    TeamDonzi ShowMeTheMoney!

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    Yes, some of them. San Vito is willing to replace their card for me. Toys and Babies R us, have been faxed the numbers, sans the last 4 digits, so they have to do recon, but hopefully can cancel them and replace. No clue how to track the rest. There were a few that were presented as gifts. Anyway, that's cool about the pawn shops. Maybe they can do more than I think they can. What a fine surprise that would be. I do think this is a crime of opportunity and based on what they took, I'd have to say they were males. Sorry guys!
     
  3. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Just a few years ago.. you could leave your garage open w/o concern here in Broadlands. As the community ages and becomes more established - the petty theft and vandalism increases.
     
  4. Mazinger

    Mazinger New Member

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    The less houses and neighbors around you the more you can do that.
    Can't do that thing anymore here in broadlands.
     
  5. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    I don't think 'less' or 'more' has anything to do with it. Our homes were the last section to be built in our part of Broadlands (sans one area) and we've seen this change. Personally I think a lot of it has to do with the age of families that first move in to new houses and people buying their first homes.

    AF, AV, and the others were all already built.. but its only been in the last 3-5 years that crime is ramping up more and more - especially in the immediate area.
     
  6. Mazinger

    Mazinger New Member

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    Are you saying the demographics of home buyers in this area have changed in the past few years?

    You mean these buyers came with younger children and now the kids are older and causing problems in the neighborhood? I would think there are new people moving in with older kids too.

    I'm not putting words in your mouth. Just wanted to check if I read you comment properly.

    :)
     
  7. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    It is simple - more people, more crime.
     
  8. tyger31

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    also - more retail...more crime
     
  9. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    I can't make any specific claims.. if you could... you'd have solved the crime problem for the entire country :)

    But as a community ages, it's make-up changes. When you have new construction.. they share a common ground.. many often are at similar stages in their lives.. first new home.. or may be looking for more room, etc. When you have an established community, not everyone started here the same.. or necessarily shared the same experiences... etc.

    Do you not see a difference in communities when you have everyone just starting there, vs having different people moving in over the last 10 years or so?

    And one can not deny the change in criminal activity as the community ages... from what generally was just construction site issues to more and more home invasions, theft, more aggressive property crimes, etc.

    The population in the area hasn't grown that dramatically. In the time period I'm thinking of.. the biggest additions in the immediate area have simply been the apartment/condos across from Clairsbrooke, and all of Broadlands South. The rest of the immediate area of Ashburn was pretty much set.

    One statistic I would be interested in (if anyone knows an easy way to reference it) is the population of the different age groups in the community and how it has changed in the last 10 years. It certainly seems there are many more junior high/highschool age children in the community then there was when we first moved in. I'm curious if that is perception or reality. Just watching the bus stops on the way to work through the years is what sets that perception for me.
     
  10. Earl4

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    What does that mean about Loudoun County "ain't no CSI"? If there are (were) fingerprints everywhere, you should have called immediately. Most fingerprints are composed primarily of water, and the quality will diminish over time. Loudoun County does have a very capable CSI unit, and numerous specially trained evidence technicians -- but they probably won't waste their time on a case in which the evidence has likely been destroyed. Also, remember that if the suspects are neighborhood kids, most neighborhood kids don't have fingerprints on file with the FBI...
     
  11. TeamDonzi

    TeamDonzi ShowMeTheMoney!

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    Exactly. We asked the deputy to take fingerprints but he said he was unable to do so. Nothing had been destroyed. Maybe that was just a junior Deputy, I don't know. Because of the monetary value of the crime, it's considered some form of larceny, not just Corona and Mike's. It's a punishable crime at this point...they were in my home and garage and at the very minimum, that's trespassing and larceny. Anyway, you're right about the kids probably don't have fingerprints on file anyway. No need to defend LOCO, I'm repeating the words of the Deputy.
     
  12. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    They don't bother when its minor crimes. Have your car broken into, and they will not even attempt to look for fingerprints, etc. All they are doing is logging the event :(
     
  13. Mazinger

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    I had my car broken into and the airbags stolen one time.

    Total to replace everything was around $3500.00

    Cops never came either. Just took a statement over the phone.
     
  14. Play Drums

    Play Drums Surviving in Cashburn

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    Okay. Now, I'm pissed.
     
  15. broken skull

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    The fingerprints might not be in the fbi database, but if your child was ever fingerprinted for school or anit-abduction purposes you can bet that the cops can get to them if they want em.
     
  16. TeamDonzi

    TeamDonzi ShowMeTheMoney!

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    Okay, so let's recap:

    We have a neighborhood watch, but to catch these bandits, we'll need to set up a sting. I noticed we did hire security guards when the poo in the pool became unbearable. The cops either cannot or will not collect data to save in a Broadlands file. If their collected fingerprints start to match, one day this kid will hit the big time. Do the math, add them all up, and the numbers are high. Stolen airbags?? Holy crap!! The crime is increasing, as a result of new neighbors, new teenagers, new businesses, and paths to other existing neighborhoods. Just today, I read that someone tried to start a bridge on fire, and other kids are playing dead in the street, and some are spraying graffiti on private property. While some of you may think this is petty crime, like stealing beer, and cash, doing such things on property that does not belong to you or your parents is a big problem that's obviously getting bigger. And I really don't think setting the bridge on fire is petty. And while some of the items taken are crap, it's MY crap...not theirs to take.

    How about this....let's all take photos of these kids, when and if we can catch them doing stupid things. Certainly we have caught some kids doing bad things, painting, sex on the hill, whatever. That way when their parents say it wasn't their kid....well....that one will cost you. Maybe we should round them all up and send them to Gitmo!! :) Anyway....I don't want to live in a lockdown situation in my own home. That stinks. And if I leave my car unlocked, or my garage door open, I shouldn't expect to have to call the police the next day. I would expect the parents of these kids to knock them into next week when they discover they did these things. And who are these parents that let their kid roam all night long? Short of that, they should apologize publicly for the sins of their sons and daughters.

    I'm certain I've missed some talking points here, so bring it on. When is that happy hour?? I think I'll put Armed and Dangerous on my nametag!! :)
     
  17. Earl4

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    Well, while this may be true in certain circumstances, the cops would probably have to be narrowed down to a particular suspect in order to make such a comparison. In most situations, the latent fingerprints are submitted for a computerized comparison against the FBI files.
     
  18. Earl4

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    I don't think the cops could take fingerprints from kids without the the parents' consent, and such a process would be extremely costly relative to the number of cases solved. I'm all for it, but I think when the taxpayers see the price tag, they would not approve. Many juvenile delinquents have parents who are enablers, and those parents would probably not consent to voluntary fingerprinting of their juvenile delinquents. Besides many folks just don't want big brother getting too involved in their lives -- and I might count myself in that group on this subject. (Why should my kid get fingerprinted like a criminal just in case he ever steals from you?)

    I think the reality is that when you don't live out in the remote country, you do have to be security conscious. We in Loudoun do enjoy a relatively safe community, but we are not immune to criminal activity. The easiest solution is to take small steps to prevent yourself from becoming a target of opportunity.

    Think of how much work (and taxpayer money) a complicated investigation involves, relative to the amount of time it takes to close your garage door. You may not realize it, but the report you filed will result in a cop coming to your house, then he has to type a report, then a supervisor has to review the report, then it gets filed in the records system, then an investigations supervisor has to review the report and assign it to an investigator who could end up spending an entire week or more investigating your case. If there is physical evidence, an evidence technician would recover the evidence, package it, submit it to the evidence section, evidence section employees would log it, and transport it to the state lab where another employee would eventually do an analysis of the evidence and generate a certificate, at which time the evidence would have to be transported back to the local police agency. Then comes time in court, with many officers receiving overtime pay to attend court. (Let's not forget about the judges, prosecutors, bailiffs, clerks, who all get paid by taxpayer money.) So, you can't be troubled to lock your doors, but you expect taxpayers to foot the bill for a police investigation that could cost tens of thousands of dollars???
     
  19. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    There are plenty of voluntary fingerprinting collections setup.. and have been for ages. This isn't 1930.. there is no harm in ATTEMPTING to match to existing records.

    It's logic like this that lets criminals get away with 'minor' crime endlessly. Kids know they'll never be punished nor caught unless they freaking run into the police cruiser themselves with the goods in their pockets AND they tell the cop its not theres. The 'oh well, its not worth the hassle' mentality is what allows petty crimes to continue to swell. The attitude of ignoring minor problems puts out a sign and invites for more and leads to more significant issues (the Broken Window invites more crime story).

    And when the cop is already at your house, is it that much more costly for him to even EXP:ORE the notion of evidence? Today all they are concerned about is logging it, getting you your paperwork and letting your insurance cover it.

    So do you feel the same when you get robbed and it wasn't a 'crime of opportunity'? When the thief breaks in, should we sit back and go 'oh well, this isn't worth our time and money... got insurance?'. :rolleyes3:

    While we are at it.. why don't we just let the Fire Department ask 911 'is there anyone in the house? do they have insurance?' and if the answers match up, just let the fire and insurance take care of itself..I mean its far too costly to actually fight the fire vs just letting the private industry figure it all out. :rolleyes3:
     
  20. Earl4

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    Yep, I'm familiar with them, and have fingerprinted many youngsters myself. Many of these setups send mom and dad home with the only set of fingerprints to keep in a safe place. Let's not forget that law enforcement agencies operate under the authority of law, and if there's no provision authorizing submission of non-criminal fingerprints into a criminal database, it's just not gonna happen.
    Yep, I'm very familiar with broken window theory, and it does not apply to anything I said. I did not say that I oppose thorough criminal investigations. I did indicate that I find it much more efficient and cost effective to close your garage and lock your doors than to leave everything wide open and pray for the best -- and call the cops if things don't work out. Since we're using a fire analogy now, do you propose that everyone leave unattended candles in their homes, and if a fire occurs -- oh well, that's what the firefighters get paid for?
    No. But I would suggest that you go on a ride-along or two with deputies that patrol your neighborhood. You can see how busy they are already, and how sometimes routine calls go unanswered for an hour or longer while they rush to handle all of their calls. After you've seen how it is, let me know if you think every crime scene should be processed like a homicide. I agree that it would be great -- but LCSO clearly does not have the manpower to do that. When was the last time you contacted your representative on the BOS to ask for increased police staffing?
    NO. I believe very strongly in the role of the criminal justice system. I also believe in the responsibility of a homeowner to protect his own family and belongings by locking-up.
     

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