Broadlands Hospital Approved!

According to the report, "LHC’s contribution to charity care was well below the regional average in 2000 and 2001" so I don't suppose that LHC's increase in charity care had anything to do with HCA's announced plans for BRMC in 2002? Was that also some "new found philanthropism?" Where would that charity care level be now if not for HCA's plans?

My supposition is as valid (or false) as yours, since there are no facts to back either up...

 

Also don't forget that all bed and service increases require a new COPN application, so it has to go through the entire approval process. As LHC found out, it's not a given that extra beds will be approved.

Since we're looking in a crystal ball and discussing future plans, who's to say that BRMC won't be the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's maxed out, this community loves it, and wants it to expand?

 

WARNING: Probable scare tactic. Probably not based on fact.

This is another example of a hyperbolic response. If the claim is to deliver factual responses to questions, please stay factual.

Where in the official application does it say, ""this" is phase I, and "this" is phase II"? I am not looking for conjecture, I am looking for a claim of phases, mentioned in the official application. Then I would accept it as fact, not a scare tactic.[?][?]

 

AFGM, I don't know how many meetings you have attended with HCA, but I have attended many. Why don't you pull up some of the past HCA information about phase one, two and 3. I am not pulling things out of the air. Ask Mark Looney if this was/is a future plan of HCA and get it in writing if he tells you that this current number is the only and final hospital bed count for this site. I would appreciate that before you accuse me of providing false information that you pull past (Over the past 2 years) documentation yourself. You come from your perspective I come from mine, that does not mean that either of us is lying. (perhaps one of us is just misinformed).

 

My point is, does the application include anything about phases one and two? And now phase 3 as has been added? Meetings, conversations, early concepts are one thing. The application is another. The application is what is factual.

Does the current application state anything about phases? I believe the answer to be no. Anything else is supposition, therefore, confusing the issue with unfactual misdirect.

I've not accused anyone of providing wrong info, I am trying to keep this to questions, comments, and opinions, not individuals. A wish others have express in this forum.

 

Come on! How can you live in D.C. and not be a little cynical when it comes to promises from Politicians and Big Business? It's obvious that HCA whent through the first denial point by point and mitigated each one. If it sticks, that'd be great. But we all know that there is nothing to stop them from dumping that as soon as the hospital is built. I'm not for or against the hospital but to be blindly trusting of for profit company that has been known to be up to Shenanigans is bad for Broadlands. The community should have oversight! I wonder if we have to buy stock to get it though....

 

And, would there be anything to stop LHC from decreasing their charity care support to its previous low level if they had won and HCA had lost and/or moved elsewhere?

Since someone else (a while back) mentioned that LHC as a non-profit hospital provided great charity care whereas HCA as a for-profit hospital probably didn't do as much, I only mentioned the facts from the COPN finding process because those facts didn't support the ealier statement -- that's all.

Whether either hospital's charity care support will continue at the current levels into the future is anyone's guess and not something that I stated in my earlier comment. Both are subject to change, not just HCAs.

 

I don't give two shakes what LCH does. It is not in Broadlands. The BRMC is and what it does or does not do will affect everyone in Broadlands, including you!

 

We are planning a meeting for anyone who is interested in getting involved again. If you are interested in attending please let me know. Thanks, Donna Fortier

 

Well, if you must know, I don't give two shakes about charity care, but I do give two shakes about "facts" provided by other posters that are not correct, whether they be about LHC or HCA. Those "facts" may affect how other community members make decisions on BRMC. If they don't affect your decision, ignore them...

 

Ah! But my posts contained no facts nor insinuated they did! You just attacked my post as a knee jerk reflex! All I want is accountabilty for the BRMC.

 

Since some folks in our community may not be aware of all the facts surrounding the LHC and HCA/BRMC issue, both still need to be discussed so folks are fully aware of the issues and can decide whether they want to support or oppose the BRMC zoning application. You may only want to hear about accountability for BRMC but if the zoning is disapproved, we're left (stuck!) with LHC so we need to hear about LHC accountability also.

 

We're only stuck in a choice to go to Reston HCA or Inova Fairfax in that case. If BRMC goes down the tubes we're left holding the bag. But that's the same position we'd be in if say a Worldcom sized building went vacant. I think the zoning for that land is just plain wrong. You don't see a neighborhood that close to the Worldcomm campus.

 

Many of you have asked for topics for your letters and addresses for those letters to be sent. Following is that information. If you have any questions or concerns please let me know.

Please send your letters and responses to Loudoun Times Mirror, Leesburg Today, Post Loudoun Extra, Easterner, The Connection as well as posting feelings on the opinion section at the end of articles posted on Loudoun Times Mirror and Leesburg Today. Letters need to be cc’d to Board of Supervisors and Planning Commission:



BOS:


Scott K. York, Chairman At-Large (Independent); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 syork@loudoun.gov

Bruce E. Tulloch, Potomac District (Republican); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 btulloch@loudoun.gov

Jim Burton, Blue Ridge District (Independent); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 aldiemanor@aol.com
Lori Waters, Broad Run District (Republican); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 LWaters1@loudoun.gov
Sally R. Kurtz, Catoctin District (Democrat); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 skurtz@loudoun.gov

Stephen J. Snow, Dulles District (Republican); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 ssnow@loudoun.gov
Jim Clem, Leesburg District (Republican); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 JClem1@loudoun.gov

Eugene Delgaudio, Sterling District (Republican); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 eugenedelgaudio@erols.com

Mick Staton, Sugarland Run District (Republican); P.O. Box 7000, Leesburg, Virginia 20177-7000 mstaton@loudoun.gov



Planning Commission:

Lawrence Beerman, Chair, Dulles District
Teresa White Whitmore, Vice Chair, Potomac District
Christeen Tolle, At-Large
Nancy Hsu, Blue Ridge District
Robert J. Klancher, Broad Run District
John D. Herbert, Catoctin District
John H. Elgin, Leesburg District
Helena Syska, Sterling District
Suzanne M. Volpe, Sugarland Run District

Correspondence to the Planning Commission may be sent to:

Loudoun County Department of Planning
1 Harrison Street, S.E., 3rd Floor
P.O. Box 7000
Leesburg, VA 20177
Telephone: 703-777-0246
Fax: 703-777-0441
e-mail: loudounpc@loudoun.gov

We need genuine outrage, from the heart sounding off in everyone's own way. Key themes: What is Richmond thinking; 2nd hospital is NOT NEEDED 5 miles from Loudoun Hospital Center; what happened to smart planning?; LHC has been building this communitites healthcare based upon rational and smart strategic planning; competition is one thing greed is another; The volume and patient pool isn’t there to provide the funding for higher level services which this county deserves; how does the state rule so vehemently against HCA one cycle and approve the next? Circumstances have NOT changed; dropping 16 beds off their application is negligible, Is this another HCA ethical issue given their Medicare/Medicaid fraud? What happens to the new Operating Rooms at Loudoun Hospital? What happens to the new Cath Lab? What happens to those folks living in the western part of the county - are they now going to have to drive 50 minutes for an emergency room? What is the state thinking? Some wonder who was helped in this drastic change from Richmond. Does HCA really believe this will endear them to our neighborhood?



Regarding neighborhood issues: letters also need to express outrage about lack of zoning, traffic, ambulance sirens/lights, helicopters.



The letters must be from the heart, expressing your individual concerns. BUT, we need them mailed to ASAP.



LOUDOUN CONNECTION, 7913 Westpark Drive, McLean, Va. 22102 Steven Mauren, Editor, smauren@connectionnewspapers.com 703-917-6451

If you could cc them to me as well for future use that would be great. A lot of the above mentioned topics were brought up to me from many of our concerned neighbors, so I am passing them along for you to pick from in writing your letters. As always THANKS and contact me with any concerns. Donna Fortier

 

50 minutes to nearest emergency room? I find that hard to believe, there is an emergency room in Ransom WV.

jaeris

 

It's pretty much the same from Purcellville:

From Altavista:

Ranson -> Purcellville: 34 minutes
Purcellville -> Ashburn: 30 minutes

Of course the further west and north you go the closer you are to Ranson. But I'd have issues going to WV for medical care.

 

Donna- thank you for the list. I now know who to send my letters to expressing my outrage...

 

Donna,

So I assume this advisory is the offical tactic LHC plans to take, in response to the positive BRMC ruling. I assume you are speaking for LHC, as a result of your paid position with the LHC.

Thank you for providing all the contact info. It is helpful to see it all in one place. Everyone can benefit.

As for the arguement. Absolutely nothing different. The current acceptance of the BRMC was balanced after hearing the same things. I would suggest it's old news, views already assimilated into the current ruling. Therefore, if LHC, through your efforts are trying to challenge the ruling I suggest you come up with something new to be able to change my view, or that of Richmond.

I break down your suggest into the same tired, debated, and redebated arguments. Outrage, attack Richmond, Hospital to close to LHC, greed, not a smart plan, ethics, volume not justified, West needs it more, traffic, ambulance sirens, ambulance lights, and helicopters. The only new approach is, "Richmond is a bunch of idiots, how could they change their position without getting paid off by HCA." I do notice some of the more obscure ones have been dropped, crazies walking the streets, medical waste, pollution, felons attacking our children, and police dumping mentally ill into our neighborhood.

All these issues have been examined. None have seemed to effect the postive outcome of having another health care option for our community.

From my view I say, go for it, keep trying the same tactic. I like LHC's and your suggested strategy, it should provide no road block to eventually being able to walk into our new hospital.

 

I lived in Richmond for nearly ten years. They aren't stupid but they are very corrupt. And if you think the blue-bloods in Richmond give a care about anything in NOVA but our tax money you are sadly mistaken.

 

AFGM< please read my past post that I am speaking FOR MYSELF AND THOSE I REPRESENT, not the hospital. Those seem to be very valid concerns and once again because they do not agree with your way of thinking they are some sort of tactic and not imprtant. AFGM answer me this one question that you have not answered over the last 2 years I have been asking it. Where exactly do you live in relation to this proposed hospital site???