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Another Traffic and Routes Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by flynnibus, Mar 19, 2005.

  1. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    So after someone's thread awhile back trying to quantify the cost savings by avoiding the greenway.. and getting nearly all the numbers wrong anyways.. I thought this week I'd take some other routes.

    End of previous week and begining of this week has been absymal on the Greenway. At 8:15-8:20 its been taking 45+ minutes to get to Reston. So one day I went the Waxpool way.

    First the numbers.. Using my car's trip computer and some estimates. I figure its 7 miles from my house in Ashburn, out waxpool to Rt 28, south to the Toll Road. I don't think the distance variation going the Greenway vs Waxpool is worth mentioning. Once may be longer, but both would be very close (1-2 miles diff top). That kind of difference isn't even worth mentioning.

    Some Observations:

    -That day, it took me 23 minutes to get to Rt 28/Rt 606 interchange. That was absymal. The backup on Waxpool went further west into Ashburn as far as I could see. Why *anyone* would go this way unless they have to get to Church St or North of that on Rt 28.. I have no idea.

    -The people that flat out drive up to the traffic light to turn right to stay on waxpool, and do so from the middle lane. If I had my way.. I'd get out of my car and slash your tires right there. That is not only inconsiderate, its illegal and unsafe. In the almost 7 minutes it took me to get through that traffic light, I saw no less then 6 cars drive up to the light and turn right from the middle lane. If anyone tried to do that while I was at the front, I'd certainly turn wide and force them into the island. People like that don't desire to drive on the roads.

    -The traffic at Waxpool's light is nearly the same as the Traffic at Loudon County Parkway. So I don't see much gain from trying to get to LCP over Waxpool except the short segment of Waxpool you save driving on. Tho if I had to drive this way.. driving down shellhorn, and getting on LCP there would probably be the only modification to this route.

    -Driving down Moran/etc to get to the post office to by-pass Rt28 is a complete waste. Once you get past Pacific, the traffic opens up and Rt28 is actually wide open south. I actually did 70 on cruise control and never got off cruise control until I hit Rt 606. I don't think their is any benefit to trying to cut down there.. which would introduce more distance, driving on slower roads, more stop signs, and then having to sit on the lights on Rt 606. At least once you are up to that light on Waxpool where you'd turn, you are almost done. Stay on waxpool.

    So summing up the Waxpool route.. I think the best way would probably be to go down shellhorn, across that 'road' to get to LCP, and then take Waxpool to Rt 28 south to the tollroad. However, I can't see why you'd do that considering the CONSISTANT traffic on Waxpool. On the bad days, the Greenway is as slow, but thats comparing the worst days. Waxpool is completely out of the question as far as I'm concerned.

    Really the best way for me is Greenway to Rt 606 through Herdon as an alt route if the Greenway/toll road is backed up. But recently the backups have been starting further and further back on the Greenway.

    And the Greenway's plans to add the 3rd lane the rest of the way out to Leesburg is only going to make it worse :(

    -Steve
  2. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    So for the person who was trying to draw 'cost' comparisons.. avoiding the greenway to get to teh Toll-Road.. really the only cost difference is the $2.30 per way it costs to go on the greenway. ($2.40 - 0.10 discount for SmartTag).

    So $4.60 a day x 5 days = $23.00 a week vs. 50 minutes a day x 5 = ~4 hours a week of your time.

    On a decent day, it takes me ~20-25 minutes to go the greenway all the way to whiele ave. Waxpool would take almost that long just to get to the Toll-road.

    I personally use a hybrid. I drive the greenway to work, but drive Rt 28 on the way home (but I don't get on Waxpool). I figure the $2.30 I save every day not going the greenway home more then pays for my Gym membership.. which is up on Rt7 which is why I don't drive the Greenway home.

    Rt28 North now in the evening is fine since the interchanges opened.. but Waxpool is still miserable.

    -Steve
  3. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    My hubby leaves for work at 5:15 am. The traffic is nonexistant no matter what route you take . . . . . . .:)
  4. WesGurney

    WesGurney New Member

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    I disagree - you have to take into account that it is stop and go driving taking the Waxpool/Rt. 28 route which can be significantly less MPG than highway driving.

    One way to put this matter to rest, would be to fill up your car with gas and take the Greenway route to/from work each day. Record how many trips you were able to take until your gas light comes on. Next, fill your tank back up and take the Waxpool/Rt. 28 route to/from work each day. Compare how many trips you were able to get taking each of these routes.

    If its not worth mentioning the distance/route variation for gas consumption, then you should expect that you will be able to get the *exact* same number of trips no matter which route you take.

    My guess is that you will be able to get significantly more trips taking the Greenway route.
  5. Homer Simpson

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    Yawl still dont think there is a conspiracy to make us use the Greedway? The roads don't work, they are putting up light after light. The roads do not connect, there are no alternate routes.

    The Greedway bisects this area of the county. It is the only quick way of getting in or out. And thats why they got away with raising rates without having to give back anything, like say distance based tolls.

    I wouldn't be down on the Greenway if it was fair. But they're making us pay for their own mis management and the State lets them get away with it.

    Forget succession from Loudoun. NoVA needs to succeed from Virginia. Most of our tax money goes out of the county to never come back. Meanwhile, Richmond is building nice roads to mitigate the traffic problems they may see in 20 years. We are on the short end here and our local reps are too busy trying to run out all the gays and non Christians while Rome is burning down.
  6. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    What's the obsession with distance based tolls? They will not do something that lowers their income.. so that means overall length tolls must go UP to off-set the loss of income if they lessen the short distance tolls. And if you look.. here in Ashburn we are about at the mid point of the greenway.. so if one over simplifies.. our tolls would likely not change much.

    Only hope on tolls is to get some better price controls or subsidized help from the state.

    The fact that they claimed they couldn't even burden their existing capital bond expenses.. yet they are expanding again goes to show they will continue to raise the tolls. 5 years from now we'll hear the same arguement 'we spent too much and toll income isn't enough at current rates'. Our only hope is really the state taking it over.. which I imagine we'd be long gone before that's even a reality :)

    -Steve
  7. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Well, given the short distance (~7 miles).. this route would have to be statistically significant portion of your total miles to even matter.

    Unless your car gets double the milage.. and you don't barely drive anywhere else. I don't think the cummulative effect of the MPG on this short amount of road would really be that significant.

    For me.. the difference between my 'average' MPG I get out of my car vs my worst case MPG in stop-and-go traffic is not that different. I know for my car, the MPG does not go up significantly unless I am in a pure highway driving environment for extended periods.. and even then my MPG only goes up about 8 MPG. But that has alot to do with my car and driving style.

    -Steve
  8. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    Well I was hoping that if they went distance based with the current rates and not raised, then our toll would be about half. Wishfull thinking, I know. But you are right. They will raise rates again b/c of the widening.
  9. WesGurney

    WesGurney New Member

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    It is the constant backup along Waxpool before Rt. 28 which is a major cause of the stop and go traffic along that route.
    I am hoping things will get better once they open up to 3 lanes on Waxpool between Loudoun County parkway and Rt. 28.
  10. steveruns26

    steveruns26 New Member

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    I think that the main problem with the backup on Waxpool at Rt. 28 is the under construction ramp to 28 towards the airport and the poor condition of the pavement right there. Now that the bridges over Broad Run are complete and mostly open (short the third lane going each way), the backup has not really been relieved. Once they get the road and ramp to 28 in better condition and people become more familiar with the traffic pattern, hopefully the backup will be eased.

    The only good news for me is that I get off at AOL, so that is the end of the road for me! I will sure be happy when it gets better though.
  11. Carol Al-Ajroush

    Carol Al-Ajroush New Member

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    Awwww...ya'll need to commute like me and just work from home! Although on sunny days like today when I look out to the walking path and see the folks enjoying walking their dogs or with their kids can be distracting! <g>

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