Because we don't have enough hospital threads...

The current zoning is also appropriate for a recycling center, a jiffy lube, or a dry cleaning factory. Try fighting that. At the least, we currently have leverage over what the special exemption for a hospital offers. Try and get a dry cleaning factory to pay for road improvements. Fat chance.

 

Guys, go back to GCyr's post that I was responding to: "and the zoning is appropriate for a hospital".

You're right, Skins, it isn't.

Yes, the PC doesn't grant approval, only issues a non-binding rec. However, it still has to go through the PC process, which is what I said.

Nowhere was it raised to yet again discuss the appropriateness of the location, or to start hyperventilating about all the awful things that could happen if Broadlands doesn't take this hospital at that site right away, but if you all want to entertain yourselves with Round 947, by all means knock yourselves out. Have fun!

Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.

 

Barbara,

You skipped the part about County staff making a recommendation on the use of the land. In this case, County staff recommended APPROVAL of the site for a hospital. That was before politics took over.

I assume you are not interested in a dry cleaning factory in your neighborhood? We might need your help to fight it if the hospital isn't approved.

 

And you live where in relation to the HCA property?

 

What information do you have to support "a good chance his [house value] will drop?" You said that there wasn't anything to show an increase in house value, so you must have something to support the drop. What's the source?

 

My facts are correct. No matter what is build on that property, it won't be administered under two different zoning ordinances. PD-OP is zoned for a hospital. If not PD-OP, in what other zone can a hospital be built in?

 

No, I'm sorry GCyr, you are not correct. To say "the zoning is appropriate for a hospital" is not a fact.

Of course IF they get their bundle of paperwork approved, THEN the zoning for the two parcels that make up the proposed site will conform both with one another and with the proposed use.

Yes, as I keep saying, one of the two separate parcels that make up the proposed site have a special exception possibility for a hospital which needs approval to occur. The other parcel was originally zoned under a different zoning ordinance and does not list hospital as a use in any way shape or form.

The proposed "site" is two separate pieces of land, right next to each other, that have two different sets of rules attached to them. If they get all of their approvals, the entire section of property will then truly be an actual site that a hospital can actually be built on.

Until that happens, the fact is that a blanket statement "the zoning is appropriate for a hospital" is not correct.

Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.

 

GCyr....My house fronts Glebe View rd. which will be the main entrance to the Hospital if built. I didn't buy next to a big field. I believe I can determine what I think is appropriate, Thank You.

lyo

 

It's my understanding that any hospital anywhere in Loudoun County needs a special exception. Is that correct? Even INOVA (formerly the "community" hospital) would have to undergo the same process if they wanted to build anywhere.

Homer, if you talk to any of the local realtors that are selling properties around any of the existing hospitals, you learn that a hospital doesn't bring your property values down.

 

The main entrance will be at Glebe View and Broadlands Blvd with the secondary entrance at Stonewheel Way/Education Way (or whatever it's called). Why would people get off Belmont Ridge to drive on Glebe View to get to the hospital when Belmont Ridge will connect to Broadlands Blvd?

You certainly can determine what you think is appropriate and I wasn't questioning that. I was just curious as to your location to the hospital because I believe it does matter when someone is concerned about traffic and they live at an opposite far corner of the development. I live directly across from the secondary entrance and I'm not concerned with hospital traffic because any alternative development on that property will also generate traffic but it won't provide health care!

 

SoxFan: that is one of the benefits of the healthcare services CPAM.

Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.

 

Barbara,

Great news came out of the Town Meeting Steve Snow sponsored, associated with getting a hospital out your way. General concensus (not unanimous, some still aren't as open to the discussion as you are) was the following:

Broadlands Hospital currently "owns" 260 beds within this region. They will be relocating 160 beds to Broadlands.

That leaves a shortage of 100 beds needed for our region. That will speed up approval of additional beds in the region. Therefore, those 100 beds can be positioned much quicker, based on State defined need, into South Riding.

How ironic, BRMC is actually reducing the timeframe, for a hospital in South Dulles, or at the minimum removing an obstical to a hospital being approved and built in South Dulles.

That is very cool. Now you have a reason to voice support for BRMC!

There were many other insightful observations and comments from the town meeting. Those can be relayed later. Steve Snow did a wonderful job orchestrating the discussion.

(Edited with Barbara's guidance, thank you)

 

AFGM, looks like a wonderful job on your part of orchestrating a selection of information too. I'm interested in why you say "They will be relocating" without using a conditional, like "if approved".

I'll still wait and see for the hospital issue. Did you mean "increase the timeframe" or reduce it? I still think that BRMC will increase the amount of time before any other approvals, if only because it adds beds to the pool that they'll have to play wait and see with. Then when we have waited, they might see we have plenty, and too bad they're all in the same place. Oh well.

Why would you think I'm going to come out in support, because of a new spin on a lot of conditional possibilities? Nope. But I am glad to see your positive feedback.

Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.

 

Barbara...are you saying that the BOS are going to approve a location (not actual land that has been purchased) but a general location for special exception approval through the CPAM? How is it possible to do that?

 

SoxFan, a CPAM is an amendment to the land use overview document for the county. The healthcare CPAM in effect creates a "healthcare overlay" that indicates location of facilities in relation to the growth and design of the overall plan--the living areas, the commercial areas, the transportation network, etc. So while your explanation is not necessarily specifically precise, it is probably a good nutshell description.

As to whether it will be special exception listings in a zoning category, or specific zoning such as other counties have, that would be found in the paperwork, for a precise explanation.

How they can do that is the fact that there are governing documents for land use, growth planning, facilities planning, and the CPAM adds healthcare facilities planning to all of the other categories spelled out in the blueprint for the county.

Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.

 

huh, that's pretty interesting. Thanks for the info. So then for example would the BOS say okay we think South Riding needs a hospital (I'm just trying to figure this all out), we'll approve a special exception for whoever decides to build one down there. Would it then be up to a hospital building entity to step forward and say yes we'll build a hospital and we want to do it on this piece of land. Would the BOS then have to approve it again for that specific piece of land? It seems odd to me that they could say yes we think this area needs a hospital and do a blind approval. But if they don't do it blind then wouldn't the company that wanted to build have to go through the same process that HCA did for BRMC?

 

Sox, as I understand it, proper zoning is inserted in the Plan in targeted regions (in this case the existing eastern facility at Lansdowne on the 7 corridor, the existing facility at the county seat, a proposed eastern facility on the 50 corridor. Add to that critical care at targeted locations throughout the rural area--Middleburg on 50W, Purcellville on 7W, and Lovettsville on 287N), which any company can make use of. I would imagine it to be similar to commercial or industrial zoning--someone owns land so zoned, a commercial or industrial entity seeks to purchase and build in the area approved for that kind of activity. This is just a very broad overview, but it is my understanding of how the process is to work. I'll do some reading and be more specific if you like.....or we could ask Donna!

Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.