Broadlands Medical Facility

I know! That really tickled and then that boot camp Burns put me through!

 

Insanity in this county??[8][8].....

If one is to accept your opinion, I would think we'd be welcoming mental health facilities to treat the "local insane" population. Or I guess you'd ship them out of town, and let someone else deal with it. [^]

(Come to think of it, shipping some of them out of town isn't a bad idea[8)])

Homer, I accept your wish for expanded healthcare services, such as heart treatments, et al. I too have that wish. I am curious, if a heart patient is suffering depression associated with their serious medical problem, should a hospital ignore that "type" of medical condition or that type of patient. Should we fix the heart and then ship them to the "hills" to treat their psychiatric health condition? Remeber that patient could be you, a family member, or your neighbor.


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We'll see but the planning here in this county is insane.


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What do other hospitals w/o mental wards do - refer them to outpatient!

 

I really wish I had more time right now to jump back into this, but I will at least say these few things. The politically correct arguments about stigmas and spreading fear are just silly. I have no problem with someone supporting the facility here. If it makes them feel like they're compassionate or otherwise good people who love the children, fine. But I have yet to hear arguments about how the mental health services match up with the needs of the county (which I thought was the main point). And it is clear that the mental services have been downplayed and minimized by those most strongly supporting BRMC. I'm also getting a little tired of hearing the anorexia argument (and the ADHD reference in the newsletter is laughable). No one, including me, would raise opposition to a treatment center for anorexic teens. But to suggest that psychiatric inpatients are typically anorexics and little kids with ADHD is a joke, and yes, dishonest. I have never said or implied that those with mental illnesses are bad people. But if you are at the point where you need to be hospitalized, you have become a danger to yourself or others (or both).

The so-called crime statistics argument doesn't exactly hit the mark with me either. I suspect that a maximum security prison would not show up as increasing crime in the area it's located in either. I believe prison breaks are few and far between and I doubt that when they happen, the guys on the lam hang out in the immediately surrounding neighborhood for very long. Nevertheless, despite the fact that I am very happy we have prisons, I don't think they belong everywhere, notwithstanding "statistics".

 

Why not put one in Broadlands!

 

Don't give anyone any bright ideas.

 

Come on, guys. Don't you think that Broadlands' serene atmosphere would be an ideal place to rehabilitate criminals? It seems to be working for me!

 

Let me make this clear ... I was betting that it was a troll, which on USENET usually meant someone who came in, dropped a message that would cause alot of controversy, then disappear.

I assumed (and you know what that can do) this on the fact that according to the message board stats, Jeanne had only posted one time on the boards, and it was that one message. Homer is right, I was looking at the case we had prior, where the person was adamantly anti-HCA, and who also claimed to be a resident. Based on the stats, the only posts ever made were to this topic, so I thought we may have had another such case.

I apologize for the remark, and welcome another resident to the forums. Frankly, I'd like to see alot more residents use the forum to ask questions about the subdivision.

Again, I'll state that I do support another hospital in Loudoun, however, I also will state that it does not necessarily have to be built in Broadlands.



Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

 

Thank you Neil.
This is exactly what I support. Yes we need another hospital, but not here.
I do not think it belongs in this neighborhood five miles form another hospital.
We have a huge county and one day it will all be developed to some point,
Wouldn't it be more prudent to build the hospital so that it would serve the rapidly growing western and northern portion of this county.
I dont want to hear the garbage about the "sewer lines" that is just smoke and mirrors. HCA wants to build here because they bought the prop and that is what it is all about, well that, and greed.... and money.
I dont care about mental patients, that is also a lot of smoke and mirrors we will never really know until later.... when it is too late for anyone to do anything about it. They closed down the two other hospitals because they were not making any money there on those "old rundown" hospitals.
Why dont they fix them up? It would cost them less money dont you think????
It is all about money, and where is the money???
Also, stop giving Neil grief about unprofessional behavior. There are others on HOA board that have said some pretty insensitive things, and yes, inappropriate and unprofessional as well..... And the rest of you bicker here like a bunch of old ladies.

 

As I am the only one who asked one of my HOA representatives to be a little more professional, I assume you are directing this comment towards me.

Who are these "others</u>" on the HOA board that have said insensitive, inappropriate, and unprofessional things? I assume you are talking about Cliff, but who else? Donna? The Van Metre reps?

Sorry, but I don't recall any other HOA members engaging in name calling. If they did, I would call their behavior unprofessional as well. The fact is, Neil apologized for his remark -- let's let it go.

 

Okay. Done and done. ::letting go::

 

A note to Brooks 5,

I find your tone to be somewhat patronizing to other posters and I was hopeful with the dismissal of chris that we would have returned these boards to civility. We can mince words on what the true definition of psychotic means etc, but all that aside, it was your intent in the post that carries the bulk of the meaning. And it certainly was received as inflamatory. Whether you meant it to be or not, its important to be big about it and retract any ill intent and not further incite animosity.

Regarding your characterization of mental patients...psychosis is a subset of mental illness and generally not the majority of a mental hostpial's population. In fact, most mental facilities deal with depression, juvenile disorders such as ADHD, and trauma induced issues, such as when a person is subjected to physical trauma and has mental / emotional recovery as part of treatment. I would like to think that a community willing to host a safe and caring environment for people in need is the right thing to do. After all, what is a community? I hope it is not just a bunch of geographically contained individuals with only selfish intents.

You can have valid points and feel free to post them, and this goes for everyone, please try not to make them personal attacks at others.

scott shipm

 

Homer,

If you take the scientific perspective, a mental disorder is in fact a physical disorder in that the brain and its reactions to chemical composition creates behavioral responces. The same happens to the heart, the liver, the lungs, your mouth when it utters things without fully thinking about it. Its OK to have an opinion. But if you publicly express one, hopefully it is a thoughtful one. At this point, I am going to guess you are lucky to not suffer from either physical or mental disorders, have family members or friends suffering from them, and do not employ yourself in either field and are therefore conveniently sheltered from its realities. Feel free to learn more at your community adult education center.

What troubles me the most is your insenstive language (examples include "head shrinker", "alkies" etc). You are certainly a colorful person, and the world needs those. But please be mindful of those around you. While its easy to be expressive without close proximity feedback on a message board, it doesnt mean that offences cant occur. If you wouldnt use this language with your preacher, grandmother or around children, then its probably not appropriate here either. Its also insensitive to people who suffer from illness and it doesnt help to be negatively labeled as such. When broadlands pub opens, I will be seated on a stool and you can let the explicitives and opinions fly. Thats the place for it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: We are a community, not just a bunch of geographically contained individuals. I'll ask you to assess what your definition of community is?

scott shipm

 

I find it hard to believe that anyone would consider what I've posted to be inflammatory. And there is no way you can justifiably accuse me of a personal attack on anyone. And to imply that I have been uncivilized like chris, et al.? Now that's inflammatory! In any case, you should recall that my post was in response to Thunder referring to my legitimate use of the word psychotic as "unconsionable," then lecturing me (much as you are doing) on various mental disorders as if I am naive about the matter. He/she also accused me of mischaracterizing the issue. I think a good case can be made that Thunder's comments (and yours below) were somewhat patronizing to me (I'll look forward to your "note to Thunder" and "note to self").

 

I would like to chime in that *most* people with mental disorders pose more of a threat to themselves than the general population... and those that do pose a threat are locked up at St. Elizabeths, not a non-secure hospital with a rent-a-cop at the door.

Of course you can never tell when someone will snap and do something heinous (as in the murder right here in our own backyard by someone presumably not in treatment). The boogyman is everywhere folks.

(putting on flame-retardent suit now)

 

I am sorry if you felt my remarks to be either inflamatory or patronizing and a moral lecture. I certianly didnt intend them that way. But I think that goes further to illustrate my point. It is the perceived intent of the language that generates the emotion more than the words. Now that you are on the receiving end, I hope you can fully appreciate how a person's actions can be interpreted and that we all have a responsibility to censor ourselves.

If you feel the need to discuss this further, I will be at the pub.

I now return this thread to its regularly scheduled program...Is a predominantly mental health care facility needed in broadlands?

scott shipm

 

There are plenty of people who rotate in and out of hospitals who pose a threat to others. I know at least two personally, one of whom is one of my best friends, and neither of whom was ever locked up in a place like St. Elizabeths, despite overt physical threats to others. Psychiatrists seem to be notorious for doing what they can to keep patients out of the hospital, at least until they do something that lands them back in. You bring up St. Elizabeths, which is where John Hinckley is. Even he is now allowed out unsupervised now. People can argue about whether he still poses a threat, but I think it's reasonable to conclude he does.

 

I haven't hung out much in pubs for a while, but with the promise of some spirited debate on this stuff, I might have to consider it.

 

Scott,

Wonderful, thought provoking comments.

As clarification, I am not sure how we have gotten to characterizing this as a "predominantly mental health care facility". My understanding is BRMC is mainly a medical facility, and only a portion of the services to be offered are for psychiatric care.

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I now return this thread to its regularly scheduled program...Is a predominantly mental health care facility needed in broadlands?

scott shipm
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afgm,

I dont know if it is considered a mental facility or not, but it seems to be the focus of discussions (other than actual locations). I consider mental treatment to be medical treatment at any rate, so the term medical applies well for me.

Brooks5,

I dont hang out in pubs either. The smoke irritates me. But, I am facinated by the historical signifigance of them (originally called Public Houses). I just think it would be a great place for a community to discuss community issues and I am glad this community is getting one. Hope to see you there.

scott shipm