Right turn off LCP onto Waxpool

So what's the story here? When the light is red, but there is a green arrow to turn right, can one turn right onto Waspool from that center lane? Because the sign says no turn on Red, and both green arrows are technically in line with the right turn lane, some people still don't turn. Also, I've seen police sitting there, almost looking for people to turn. Anyone know?

 

Of course you can turn right. It's a right turn arrow which overrides the red light for turning right only which is why it's an ARROW. It is not the same as right turn on red after stop (which is where the sign comes in) because it indicates that turning right has the right of way to turn. You do not have to stop. A green arrow is green for a reason.

 

Keep in mind that lane can also go straight, so some people not turning may be waiting for the full green.

 

Exactly my point too! I say you can turn right at that point too, but it's very confusing to some people. Something needs to be done cause it could help alleviate some of the traffic there in the mornings.

 

with the green arrow you CAN turn right from both lanes but you cannot turn right on red from the left most right turn lane. i've rarely seen a right on red allowed from an "inside" turn lane around here. the other problem is ppl go STRAIGHT from the right most turn lane too, so they back up this turn lane as well.

the left most turn lane should become right turn only instead of straight and right turn- not enough people go straight to need 2 lanes.

 

I've seen only a handful of people NOT turn right from this 'center turn' lane since it was introduced. I'd say 99% of the people use the lane as such even when the light is red, but there is a green arrow.

If people obeyed the stated sign and didn't turn right, the line at this intersection would probably be 3 times as long, reaching all the way back to Shellhorn or further.

It is bad enough the intersection takes so long (I've timed it and wait there upwards of 12 minutes routinely), especially when you consider the volume of people that come from Broadlands, Brambleton and Ashburn. This is one of the only ways to get OUT of the damn area without paying for the Greedway.

My fear is that this intersection will get even worse when they complete the office/hotel construction at that corner. Already you have dump trucks entering the intersection just 50 yeards before the light. Who wants to bet that the state will put another traffic light right there?

 

Agreed. It seems to be the unwritten rush hour rule in the mornings that the center right lane turns on red (with green arrow) with the outer right lane.

Folks that use that lane to go straight get honked at.

Regular hours are a different story - I never see folks turning right on red (with green arrow) from the center lane.

I've maybe seen cops there twice. I think they know the unwritten rule and don't police it as much because if folks didn't illegally turn then traffic would be backed up for miles on LCP.

 

But if you can turn right on red (with the green arrow), there's nothing there to police. It's very annoying when people don't do it. Just wanted to see what other thought. Thanks all.

 

Unwritten rules seem like a bad, bad idea. When someone doesn't know the unwritten rule, they could end up in an accident or become the victim of a road rage incident. I remember the first time I went through this intersection during rush hour and nearly got into an accident because I didn't know the unwritten rule that you are supposed to switch lanes as you approach the intersection.

The lanes should be repainted to reflect the actual flow of traffic. And if you are going to have a green arrow that comes on while the light is red, then each lane should be either a turn lane or through lane, not both.

 

Most signs in this situation indicate that you can make a right on red from the far right lane only. I don't know what the signs say at this intersection but that's usually the case. As frustrating as it may be to wait at the light, "unwritten rules" are not legal.

 

So, this AM I witnessed a black Porche Carerra (MD Tags) make a right turn on red from LCP -> Waxpool . . . FROM THE THIRD LANE OVER....
:drive:

 

Porche drivers are special....just ask them!

 

I was at this intersection this morning and noticed that the 2nd from right lane does have it's own set of lights including an arrow light, next to the "No Turn On Red sign". So each turn lane has it's own lights w/arrows to direct the flow of traffic to turn right or even go straight. It wasn't always this way but looks correct now.

 

you know _I_ hate is the far LEFT lane being blocked by those trying to scoot up into one of the right turning lanes!!! I'm trying to turn left to get my Cafe Rumi pastry fix- I do NOT appreciate waiting 2 light cycles for line cutters.

they extended the length of the green but it needs to be even LONGER. during rush hour it should be green for the same length of time that the Waxpool light is!