Broadlands Hospital

My, such huffing and puffing. And yes, I do enjoy being me....but I wouldn't recommend it for everyone. They would then have to deal with comments and accusations from people like you.
I have never claimed that anyone was "wrong" about anything. If you want to state that there are not almost 200 Inova-related signatures, then yes, you are wrong. Happy now?
Get a grip. A trash can letter isn't that big of a deal.

 

Let's get real. Why would anyone trust a list from Donna?!?

There is a tainted history of identify theft, name manipulation, and stolen email addresses. Along with that, no remorse, no admittance (you'd think they would have at least said they made a mistake) to wrong doing, and a total sense of righteousness.

Has everyone forgotten the whole opt-out bullshit.

If Donna disagrees than have her publish the list on their website, and let people see it.

 

I don't know all the facts here, but I believe the focus should be on the most current list, and the ones in the advertisement in the local paper. I think some negativity on mistakes on past lists is justified, but I believe most of it has been straightened out on more current lists. I certainly have not seen any past mistakes that could be even close to "identity theft". That is preposterous.

Is anyone claiming evidence of bogus names on any recent petition or on that local ad? My name was on this ad, and I had to physically hand them my signature.

 

I just got a chuckle out of one of INOVA's propaganda mailers. This is a nicely done booklet called Inova Magazine, most of it is about Fairfax Hospital.

Anyway, check out the back, it says, "It's even better when they're RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER". (caps my emphasis)

So much for worrying about location issues to attack BRMC.

 

I've not heard of any bogus names on this list, but I have heard about hundreds of Inova employees being on the list. That doesn't mean they're not there. We really never know with a Donna/Inova constructed Kinkos job.

 

A. If I had something to say about garbage cans, I would say something about garbage cans
B. I didn't initiate the "bucko" calling, or allude that you have lied or make any other of the derogatory comments that seem to come so easily from your keyboard.
C. It is ok for you to question statements made by other residents without foundation, yet NOT ok for the residents to do the same in turn?
D. I do not have a personal agenda against Cliff, the HOA, or any other Board Members. It is just in my nature want to be heard when my opinion differs from that of others. I sit on two executive boards with my employment. Out of the 24 of us on one board, only five board members other than the president, has anything significant to say. I am one of the five.
E. As an olive branch, I have removed my garbage can reference from my signature. Hopefully, now my posts may not make Cliff bristle immediately.

 

:notfunny::notfunny::notfunny:

What does bogus mean? The point is, what was the validation necessary to even sign one? You were 18 or more, had a pulse and respiration and possibly able to hold a writing implement long enough to scribble the pen across the paper? Were you asked to show proof? Boys and girls, please look into the history of citizen petitions that have been validated such as petitions that are required to run for public office and elected official recalls. The throw away rate for valid signatures is about 50%!:scaredeyes:

The point is. IT JUST DOESN"T MATTER!!!
Who cares if you had the signatures of every president since Washington, Lenin, Stalin, the Loch Ness Monster, Big Foot, Chupacabra's and the legendary Goat People from Western Loudoun. They are simply signatures on a piece of paper that hold no legal standing in other than to try to impress upon the elected officials that there is some number of people who think like you do. BTW, elected officials aren't stupid. They know this...

I've worked in lobbying efforts in Richmond and in Washington, DC. To that, there's a saying: petitions are for people who lack real influence. SOOO... when you feel things don't make sense, FOLLOW THE MONEY! The money is the real catalyst. Don't kid yourselves.

I love zealots! They taste like chicken!:notfunny:

 

AND, so why am I the target of your soup box?

I could bring up Jefferson's biggest mistake, but that wouldn't be appropriate coming from a Hokie.

I don't disagree with a damn thing you said.

 

A. Fair enough. But your tenor and attitude of posts about the HOA, and me in particular, took a decidedly negative slant after the infamous trash letter incident. But I'll take your word you've gotten over it.

B. I use the phrase "me bucko" to mean "my friend". Obviously you inferred a much more negative connotation. Sorry for the misunderstanding there!

C.. What did I question "without foundation?". You lost me on this one. As I said, there is proof to support my comment about the signatures.

D. Oh, no personal agenda. So how should one interpret this comment:

"That's amazing! I must attend the Cliff Achool of Clairvoyant Statistical Analysis. It sounds to me that you really DON'T KNOW, but that you are trusting someone else's count or report.

It's just another case of "Cliff is right & anyone else is wrong". It must be great to be Cliff."

No, nothing personal there!!! And you never answered my question....where did I say I was right and someone else was wrong? Don't worry, we all know the answer. I didn't.

E. Trust me, your posts don't make me bristle. They're nothing worse than dealing with my teenage children.
Olive branch accepted.

 

Oh AFGM...wait tell you hear some of the rest that's on the lists. I won't post about it here....wouldn't want Mr. Rogers to blow a gasket.

 

Why do residents who are employed by Inova not have a valid stance on this matter? Are all the employees of Inova supposed to recuse themselves from this debate? I thought all residents of the county were allowed to have opinions, just like Cliff Kierce, who justifies his personal opinions apart from his HOA board presidency. Why are Inova employees held to a different standard?

 

I think your comparing a differing opinion to dealing with your teenage children quite an effective psychological strategy. Also, dismissing your sarcastic use of "me bucko" as friendly is very revealing. I'm sure you've had to deal with many posts that are rude and downright mean, but I find your manner unnecessarily patronizing and superior. We don't all have to agree with your opinions about the hospital, and I don't appreciate your unswerving patronizing manner.

 

I don't think that what I post here is going to change anybody's mind about the hospital. I do resent the inference that anybody who doesn't want the hospital in the Broadlands is either paid off by Inova, woefully ignorant of the issues, or just plain stupid. We all have valid points of view and this debate should not devolve to name-calling and smearing. That just makes it looks like politics.

 

cobymon truly, this isn't about you and your opinion, which you are entitled too.

Cliff...so... I can't imagine what Donna and Inova included in their red ribbon package for the Board of Supervisors. I wouldn't be surprised at anything they would stoop to. My guess, as already mentioned, is that it is choke full of people who actually support the hospital. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if their are fictitious people or even dead people on the list.

You see cobymom, there is a very substantive history of Donna and Inova using unauthorized names on their lists. Lists for email. Lists for supporters. Donna's INOVA lists have been documented to have been stolen from the neighborhood watch committee and also from the Eagle Ridge PTA. There is a total lack of credibility for Donna's image jobs.

cobymom, you are entitled to your views, but how would you feel if someone stole your identify and used it for the other side of your view on the hospital? What would your opinion be of the organization who did that to you?

As for your inference about people being paid. Donna is paid by INOVA, a fact she concealed for a long time. A fact, that she was eventually forced to reveal by pressure from public forces like those on this blog. You may not have been around during those dark days of deception. This is much more a reflection on INOVA than it is on a naive Donna.

IM me if you'd like details, they are all documented.

 

First...I wasn't talking to you specifically. Sorry if you misunderstood.

Second...why do so many Hokies feel so insecure about the education they received vs. what they would have if they had attended UVA? Not my fault you failed to receive a quality education. (Remembering of course, you brought it up.) I'd like to point out that UVA grads rarely feel the need to point out this this supposed rivalry. In anything but athletics, VT does not even begin to rival UVA. Maybe someday I'll understand what all the hub bub is about. Want to pick on someone...try a like performing institution like WVA. Mabye you're confused. UVA WVA...I can see where the Blacksburg folk might mispell them. Oh..for soap boxes...after the VT tragedy, my class from UVA donated well over $7500. Just my class. Stay classy there, Blacksburg!

Third...not sure why stating fact is soap box pablum.

Maybe I'm kidding...maybe I'm not. After all, what difference does it make? These are words coded in HTML...in and of themselves....simply meaningless.

 

I know that Donna is employed by Inova, and I've been cognizant of this issue from the beginning(of her employment). I've been a resident here since 1996, and have been opposed to the hospital from the beginnning. I'm aware of the claims against Donna and her organization, but that does not change my views on the impact of the hospital on our community. I've also done research on the HCA and their settlement with the federal government for fraud. I don't want a hospital in this suburban community which wasn't planned with a hospital at it's center, and I definitely don't want HCA as a neighbor.

 

My admiration Buffettbassman. There is nothing better than a great rivalry amongst the two best schools in the country. We just differ on the obvious who's best issue. Gratitudes for the donation for the tragedy that struck all Virginians. (We're still going to kick your *** in football)

 

I've been wondering this one myself too. I know an Inova employee (a nurse) who lives in Brambleton and went to the hearing in opposition to BRMC. Also, just because you work somewhere doesn't mean you fall lockstep with their positions. They don't necessarily go together and their opinions should not be discounted.

 

Like I said, you are more than welcome to your own opinion. I am glad we agree some opinions have been bought.

BTW, the hospital isn't at the center of a suburban community, it's surrounded by three major road networks and a government building.