Broadlands Hospital

1) Yes, they changed their mind on that one.
2) So did Inova, as well as personal letters. County staff stated that those opposed/in favor of BRMC was 50/50.
3) The mental health care facility has not been shut down.
5) That's because it's an HOA Newsletter and the HOA Board supported the application.

 

So this little town of 15,000 has over three times the number of hospital beds per capita than we do.
Maybe it's the tourist season that keeps them busy.

 

YES!!! now will someone see that we NEED more hospital beds and break inova's monoply?

 

6 minutes minutes Lee! 6 minutes until you posted again!

 

I would greatly prefer Donna over someone who wants to go to court over openband, has video cameras on their property, threatened to turn in video of some kids removing some cheap signs, threatened to try to remove a respected forum admin for criticizing sloppiness on the LC website, and threatened legal action on Lee for stating an opinion earlier in this thread.

I think Stevens Miller seems to have his head on straight but I do question some of his appointments (nominations?).

 

I hate NIMBYism and totally agree that this hospital, if needed, would need to negatively impact more than 100 homeowners to even consider that as a factor. Are you sure that it would be impossible to find another suitable location 3-4 miles south of here? It just seems like there must be a portion of land that is almost that big near Briar Woods. I think there are sewers and utilities running along Belmont Ridge rd.

I think that when Lorton prison was shuttered a somewhat complex deal was worked out with a landowner on Mason Neck to switch properties. The county did not want a lot of subdividing to happen on that large are adjoining parkland so they traded some Lorton prison land for the Mason neck land and made the Mason Neck land parkland.

 

You are dead wrong! It is the responsibility of every individual to be compassionate.

I am sick and tired of people talking about businesses and government (by the people, for the people) as as if the are actual entities. They are not. They are organizations of PEOPLE. And it your responsibility as a consumer to DEMAND for the companies that you deal with to behave in a compassionate, humanitarian way. If they don't want to, find other companies to deal with.

And let's keep it in perspective, we are talking about a hospital. I expect compassion from every person from the Chief Administrator to the Janitor. I would hate to imagine someone joining the health care field saying, "I am sure that I can squeeze another $5 million out of that hospital. The patients, they are not my concern, I am PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE TO MY SHAREHOLDERS".

You take your kids to that hospital. I'll try to find one with a heart!

 

Apparently not even Lee takes his posts seriously.

 

Honestly, I think that any issue that would hurt even one resident should be a concern of our HOA. Perhaps the HOA will decide to go with the greater good of the community (which extends beyond the Broadlands) but it should consider how it may effect even one homeowner and they should make sure that person's voice is heard.

 

This was a very mean spirited post. And what value do you put on YOUR personal property?

 

Sir. I do not mean to be mean spirited. I just think it odd that a person would post that she likes someone personally, then continually assaults her character.

Added together I find the variables I stated on my previous post equate to a person whose actions are often hot tempered and irrational.

 

I think one thing you need to remember is this project started almost 6 years ago. And at the time the way the zoning laws were this was the furthest north and west of any property of 60+ acres that had access to both sewer and water. Today there may be more options, but this is going to be the intersection of the major E/W and N/S roads in the county how better to serve the largest pop.
Here is the bigger dilemma as I see it. HCA already has a COPN. According to my understanding of this process the COPN (Certifiacte of Public need) is tied to a specific company and a specific address. So according to the state there is a need for this hospital at this location, not a need somewhere in Loudoun County. Virginia is one of only 7 states (I believe) that still go though this COPN process just to make sure there is the population to support the proposal at the time. Now some of you may remember that the 1st time HCA submitted there COPN application it was denied. This was because Reston, Fair Oaks and Loudoun had COPN approval for additional beds that had yet to be built and thus were not being utilized so the state saw no need for more beds in this area. My concern is that by denying the building of this hospital we will be keeping any other beds from being added to Loudoun County anywhere. As long as HCA has their COPN there are 164 more beds considered in our area. If these beds are at 0% occupancy how is anyone else going to be able to build another facility any where.
I heard someone say earlier that building this hospital will make it harder for the RT 50 area to get a hospital. From studying the COPN process (I had just been elected to the HOA board 2 weeks prior to HCA's announcement so I did a lot of studying) the only conclusion I can come up with is not building this hospital will deny the people on RT 50 more health care.
Another tidbit of information some of you may find relative before HCA came in and bought this property Wal Mart was trying to buy a large portion of it and I believe they could have built outright with no input from the cummunity. Talk about increases in traffic and noise etc and that would have be 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Just FYI

Staci

 

Donna, having explained the concept of the certificate of need to us, and explained that a hospital that cannot maintain a certain amount of caregiving for a certain service should not be allowed to continue that service, by what rationale do you demonize hospitals that can't maintain a level of service and shut down? You yourself said that in order to maintain providing services a hospital has to provide a certain amount of it.

I'd say a hospital sitting at 1/3rd capacity or less is a liability even to a not-for-profit and would be closed down. If not for the bottom line, then because they no longer meet the definitions/terms of their certificate of need.

Ne?

 

Yeah, I do think I prefer a hospital to a Walmart. And I agree that the current and near future housing in South Riding, Aldie, and Stone Ridge is not enough to support a hospital.

If the COPN is tied to a specific address then maybe we are SOL. But 659 and Ryan is a major crossroads 3-4 miles closer to the route 50 corridor, but only about 3 miles from the Greenway. Maybe our locally elected officials could work with Richmond to get a COPN 3-4 miles down Belmont ridge maybe a little north of the high school.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but in a life-or-death situation I would just drive through the toll booth and face the consequences later, even if it meant damaging my car or the toll booth arm. The things are designed to deter people from running them, but they're also designed to snap off if they get whacked.

This is far beyond negativity, and well into fearmongering. Criminals in the neighborhoods? Helicopters crashing into houses? Insane people in robes wandering the streets? Ambulances running over little children? What IS it with the anti-hospital crowd?

But on a brighter note, y'all would be excellent writers for Hollywood if the strike doesn't end soon.


FUD, heavy on the F. Come on.

And I will repeat this:
If a consortium of citizens of Broadlands causes an uprising and manages to block HCA from building a hospital, and the county supports that as a "public good" -- IN KIND, the county is responsible for compensating HCA for the loss of revenues and value in the property caused by not being allowed to develop the site. Fair is fair, after all. If a property owner gets funded when their property loses value, then so should the owner of ANY property -- even if it is a healthcare corporation. So how would the county get the funds? Property tax increases? Hm....

 

That is EXACTLY what I said. Thank you for validating my point. It is the responsibility of individuals to be compassionate.

And I am sick and tired of people not understanding foundational principles. Businesses and the government ARE entities. Businesses are accountable to their shareholders, those who have taken a risk to invest their money. In order to earn a good return on investment, they SHOULD absolutely take care of their customers. I am all for that. If I run a business and take exceptional care of my cusotmers (see Apple, USAA), I tend to do better over time. But to say that a business should operate at a loss in Destin out of "compassion" is misplaced and just irresponsbile.

Government is accountable to the Constitution and the people who fund it, us taxpayers. Please tell me a government agency or program that is compassionate. You want to be taken care of by HUD? You want to live in their housing?

I have found that people who want the government to be compassionate and take care of people usually don't take the personal responsibility to take care of people themselves. They define compassion as taking money from one group to give to another--that's called stealing. It is not government's job to be compassionate--that is misguided. It is MY job to be compassionate.

Spare me.

 

I don't think COPN's are tied to addresses so much as regions. However, don't forget HCA already owns this land. To move, they'd have to sell the land, buy new land (possibly taking a loss on the deal in this market, so risking that they could recoup the expense), create entirely new development plans, reapply for the zoning exception... that could take years and years and lots of money. They already own this plot of land, for them it's probably a lot easier and cheaper to just fight for the right to develop it as they've already planned for.

 

So let's use this line of absurd thinking in the other direction. Let's say a couple years from now, a man in Broadlands is having a heart attack. Because we don't have a hospital in the neighborhood, the man dies because he couldn't get to the Landsdowne hospital in time (so many stop signs on Claiborne now that slowed him down). Then a little boy is having seizures and dies because he couldn't get to the hospital in time. And on and on.

Should we then claim that people like Lee cared more about property values and good-neighbor design than about providing emergency medical care for families in Broadlands, resulting in unneccessary deaths? Would that make Lee and others "uncompassionate" --even murderers by Lee's logic--because they care more about trivial things like traffic, property values and good design than their neighbor's health care?

I mean, if ONLY ONE homeowner's life could be saved by having a hospital in our neighborhood, shouldn't that neighbor's voice be heard?

Where is the compassion for the dire medical needs of others, those of you who claim to be so compassionate? Where is the concern for those who can't afford to go to other counties for medical care?

Don't you hate it when your absurdity cuts both ways?

 

Screw them, they are an evil corporation. THEIR property rights don't matter, only ours.