HCA files lawsuit vs. BoS

This was a VERY interesting read. http://www.leesburgtoday.com/articles/2009/03/09/news/resourceroom/hcalawsuit.txt

(Admins if you want to move this to the hospital thread - I'll leave it up to your judgement)

 

Well, that notes all the true stuff. Where's the controversial stuff?

 

Here comes the gloat from the Bassman! For all of you who attacked me when I TOLD you that HCA would sue...so I guess you'll just have to eat those words. Many of you questioned me by saying what would HCA sue for...guess you know now, don't you.

I've been in the hospital business for 20 years. This was VERY predictable. Frankly, I hope the BOS loses.

And don't forget... the Government isn't through yet with Inova....

/glee. I love it when I'm right.

 

I said they would sue too and people told me I was crazy to think that. Oh well, here we go again.

 

Good luck HCA! Hopefully the courts will have the courage to do what our Board of Supervisors is afraid to do - bring new jobs to Loudoun despite a noisy NIMBY crowd.

 

doubt it,

 

Sour grapes

 

Rant alert...if you don't want to hear it...don't read it. You've been warned.

What a ridiculous response! Sour grapes has nothing to do with this...

The NIMBY folks are fools beyond measure on this and at minimum, lack foresight into the healthcare needs of your children. At the maximum, selfish to the point of being harmful to your neighbors.

They've almost drown at the firehouse full of Kool-Aid and nonsense that Inova's fed you. The supervisors lacked the intestinal fortitude and vision as well. Fools, I say.

SOOO...when are "you'se guys" going to start to rise up and protest against the Ashburn spur of the Metro??? You know, studies have shown that Metro stops bring crime and urban decay. God forbid we should disrupt the cow patties of scenic Lowdown County. The NIMBY's should start orgaizing now before it's too late! Hey, it's a down economy and the print shops could use the work for your public relations campaigns! :rolleyes3:

News flash those who poplulate the NIMBY nation...hospitals are facilities of public welfare and the state can and has pre-empted the empty minded BoS of other locales. There is precedence that leans in HCA's favor on this at the VA Supreme Court level. Regardless of the pablum contained in the article about Loudoun County having the right to refuse to build the hospital where the CON was granted. So the BOS can stand up and wee and moan about "this is a Loudoun County decision and it's going to stay here" all they want but that's not the case. Thank God! What political vomit coming out the mouth of an elected official. Talk about being naive. Holy smoke!

I soo love this...more drama for mama! I only hope the courts will choose to do the right thing for ALL the citizens of Loudoun County.

 

Actually you are hoping that the court will decide in a way that agrees with your OPINION.

You should not confuse your opinion with what is right nor confuse your opinion with the opinions of all the citizens of Loudoun Country.

I don't recall electing you as a spokesman for all the citizens of Loudoun County.

We all have opinions concerning this issue and they have been hashed out ad nauseam.

No one person's opinion is any more worthy than another's opinion. And none of use speak for "all the citizens of Loudoun County".

People who do not agree with your opinion are not necessarily "fools beyond measure", they are people with different opinions.

 

Reading through that, it sounds like their main argument is that the BoS's responsibility was to make decision based on land use. That HCA met every land use requirement that was presented to them. And yet the BoS still voted them down. It seems like they have a legitimate argument here. It is not the job of the BoS to determine if we need a hospital or not, that was already determined by the COPN. Instead they needed to make a decision on whether or not the hospital met the requirements for a land use special exception. As far as I can recall, there was not a single concession requested by the county that HCA denied. So it seems like the county had no legitimate reason to reject the application.

 

excellent points Gunzour!

 

buffetbassman-
Appreciate the passion, but I guarantee you the NIMBY's had little, if anything, to do with the vote.

 

Well, Ozgood. You're right!

I'm entitled to my opinion and I do want the courts to agree with my opinion. You see, I have the luxury of evaluating health systems my entire adult life. Both as an employee, provider and consultant. From that unique vantage point, I think this is a HUGE mistake. It's getting harder and harder to build hospitals across this country...and in case you haven't been paying attention, our popluation continues to grow. Ask anyone with that experience other than working at Inova and I would bet that you would find their opinon in line with mine.

Since the beginning of this, I've always championed the cause of better quality and access to HEALTHCARE, even if it's in my backyard. The land use rights was NOTHING but a dodge to avoid competition. I didn't say YOU were one of those but if the shoe fits....

So I contend that there are plenty of fools on this issue. But fear not, dear Internet "friend"...all of us are fools on at least one issue or another. Like trusting Wall Street with our retirement funds. But I don't think I'm one on this one.

A little pontification: a day is coming in your life time where you won't have a choice of health care. This country is one or two mergers away from one large private insurer. The government IS the largest payer of health services. They have the largest repository of your medical records. Our free market system is being legislated and risk managed out of existance. how do I know? I work right at the center of the world for these policies in Washington. Let's see you complain when you have to wait 2 months for a CAT scan. Or be told that you can't get that kidney transplant because your life isn't worth the cost benefit of the procedure. Happens every day in socialized, state run systems. Again, my issue is about HEALTHCARE. Mine, yours and my childrens... i can hear it now...blah, blah, blan..Universal healthcare. Riiiiiight. that'll solve everything. You can't have it with out rationing. Simple fact that NO one wants to face.

As far as your spokesman assault, like I said at the beginning of my post...if you don't want to see it, don't read it. I never lauched a personal attack on anyone as you did. This is an open forum. Get over it.

 

Gotta love this ego!!! From what you say of your "unique vantage point," you think you are the only person in the world who should decide where hospitals go. Thankfully, we have a different process than just having to follow your whims!

 

Yes, "thankfully" we will not have another hospital in this county for years.
"thankfully" we will not see Belmont Ridge widened.
"thankfully" Northern Virginia will continue to be underserved in medical services.
"thankfully" Inova will continue its near monopoly.
"thankfully" we will not have the services of Children's Hospital in the county.
"thankfully we will not have the millions in tax revenue and 100's of high paying jobs created in this county.
Yep. Lots to be thankful for.

 

don't forget to be "thankful" for the soon to be half empty, unattractive, by-right office bldgs that will be subject to vandalism and indigents.

 

Thankfully we still have Loudoun Hospital. My family has, unfortunately, been there many times and have always received excellent service.

 

Well played, sir!

Much better than the eviscerating response I had written. Not that I care for one second of my precious life if anyone discounts a professional opinion. Happens every day. I'm sure whoever wrote that attack considers themselves better than the average bear in whatever they do for a living. Delivering healthcare is where I'm better than the average bear. He or she will simply have to get over it. Besides, I just happen to really fancy the "I told you so" moments in my life, however few they are since they are grossly outweighed by the "I was totally wrong" moments.

Me and my HUGE ego will move on now.

In fact, my ego is SOOO huge - "how huge IS IT??? -

it's SOOO huge that it has it's own zip code. <bah da mp bump>
It's SOOO huge, that Google StreetView can't map it!
It's so huge it would take a bus and two trains to go across it.
It's is so huge that when I go to the beach, I'm the only one that gets a tan. It's so huge that when I go to the top of the St. Louis Arch, it turns into a giant McDonald's sign.
It's so huge that it violates 17 zoning laws and all of the covenants and restrictrions of every stinkin' HOA in Virginia.
It's so huge that I'm the same height standing as I am laying down.
It's so huge that when I'm hauling a$$, it takes two trips.
It's so huge that when I fell in love, I broke it!

I think that'll do for the moment.

 

I don't share that experience. I always go to Reston. Glad you find the care excellent.

It's my general impression since moving to NoVA about 6 years ago, the health care services here stink considering how affluent the population is. I've seen better - in some cases, MUCH better - quality of services in poorer populations.