Broadlands Hospital

There will be an extension of the course they are now building across the street along the creek which certainly helps keep that little chunk of land lookin very very nice

But there is a lot of land still around. And the more I have been thinking about all this there is a ton of undeveloped land between brambleton and arcola and a hospital there would solve many many problems.

Lee j

 

Lee-
Once again you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. The buildings CANNOT be 10 stories. They are limited to the same height as the school admin building.
And, as you were shown, the nearest MOB is 600 feet from Broadlands Blvd.
It was the OFFICE PARK, which you think is a good idea, that had buildings right on Broadlands Blvd.
But once again, don't let facts get in the way of your rambles....

 

Don't you hate it when FACTS get in the way of your rants?

 

Hospital and two medical office buildings. Let me know if you want to see the site plan.

 

Well Cliff now that you have been nominated by Miller for utility etc committee hopefully personal agendas stay out of decisions and things are done for the entire dulles district which does include rt 50 and you don't sacrifice even one of your neighbors property values without them being properly compensated for those decisions if they turn out bad. every single one is important not one person should lose property value over bad decisions.

Lee j

 

Thanks, Cliff, for the facts and straightforward information. Any idea approximately how many jobs the hospital and medical buildings would ultimately bring to the area? I have to think that the trickle down effect for local businesses could be significant--both for hospital employees and people visiting the hospital.

99% of people visiting a hospital and medical buildings are not criminals, they are people like you and me Would people visiting the hospital be likely to frequent Safeway Shopping Center businesses?

Also, what if even a fraction of the more highly paid employees/doctors chose to live in Broadlands? That would have to help home sales and property values.

 

Lee, you should be ashamed of yourself for even implying that being nominated to a committee would compromise Cliff's integrity or decision-making. I don't know Cliff personally, but his posts are even-keeled and well thought out. Pus he (unlike myself and many others) has volunteered many, many hours to serve the community.

You should apologize and don't use your ol' buddy crap to get out of this. Besides that, your reasoning is just stupid. Every new business has an effect, either positive or negative, on property values so get a grip.

 

Lee - that's really uncalled for...did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed. Jeez

 

The big question which is ignored by Cliff is the two tracts of land and what could they eventually be used for even after their so called final build out. An broadland news letter has the hospital spokesman ruling out nothing for the future of those two tracks.

I don't live in fairy tale land when an developer saves several large tracts and does not put them in a trust or has strict language as to what they might be used for. Well I have been around this business way too long to believe anything is a final build out especially an hospital which always want to grow beyond there original vision and will use in the public interest someday to expand that vision. It is a Pandora's box waiting to be opened.

Believe me if and when this hospital is resurrected there will be indisputable facts. All I can see is if we don't see significant improvement in traffic especially waxpool soon and if there is an significant tax raise there will be an uprising in this county.

The broadlands forum is not the only forum discussing these topics such as the hospital and roads and taxes.

We all as residents will give the new board an small honeymoon. ANd I am watching the entire new board meeting on tv this morning and some interesting things and have been said as to how each feels about each others vision for this county, subtle but very very interesting to have an minuscule of insight how they will perhaps vote on many issues in this county.

Lee j

Lee j

 

Yes the Pea and Silence I do owe Cliff a very big apology for that very terrible statement that I implied about Cliff's character. Cliff a very big apology to you and I promise I will keep it civil the best I can in the future.

Lee j

 

Good man, Lee.

 

I don't know if this has been brought up by anyone in these recent 80 pages of posts on the topic, but just in case it hasn't, I'll reiterate my thoughts from long ago.

Unless something has changed recently, this is not a run-of-the-mill hospital. The largest single service provided will be for psychiatric patients. This hospital is an effort to get mental health services out here, NOT typical hospital services. The earlier proposal had an even greater share of mental health beds (one-third of the total, I believe), before being scaled back.

We may or may not need a hospital here, but for those of you who think we desperately do, I still cannot understand why you would embrace this one. This hospital largely will be providing services for people not from this area. People who think our population demands a "hospital" should be angered by being sold this thing as some sort of solution. I can understand someone wanting a hospital in their neighborhood, for all the reasons people have posted. But this isn't that hospital, and it's being presented, disingenuously, as if it is.

 

Wow, that's crazy I had not heard that about the mental services. If a third of it was devoted to psychiatric patients and that has been scaled back, then wouldn't it still largely/predominately be a regular hospital?

What percentage of mental health beds does INOVA have now for comparison? Could you clearly spell out the implications of having psychiatric patients being treated here?

 

I believe the current proposed total of mental health beds is one-fourth. Also, others can verify/clarify this, but I think there was initially going to be a standalone mental health facility, which was then incorporated into the earlier hospital proposal, then into this modified one, after some opposition. In any event, the goal has always been to get mental health services here (transferred from other facilities that are closing)--not a hospital to serve the general medical needs of a growing population.

As for "predominantly," if 25% of the beds are for one service, and all of the other services (many more than 3) split the remaining 75%, it is, in my view, a facility that predominantly caters to that one service. But others can disagree.

I don't know how many, if any, beds are reserved for mental health services in the other INOVA hospitals.

I guess the implication of having a psychiatric facility in the middle of a neighborhood are, well, having a psychiatric facility in the middle of a neighborhood.

 

Um, I disagree. Your implication is that this is predominately for mental health, but only 25% of the beds are allocated to that. That means that 75% are NOT allocated to mental health.

This is a copout, Brooks. If you are going to bring this up, at least have the integrity to spell out exactly what the implications are. Otherwise, this is a disingenuous way to stir up fear.

You may have an entirely valid point and legitimate concerns, but we don't know until you provide specifics. So tell us exactly what the implications are, please.

 

Sigh, wrong again, Lee. They plan to start widening Waxpool from Faulkner Parkway to just past the Regency next year.
Design work is done and it's ready to start at the beginning of the building season. I've seen the county's plans at one of those horrible Waxpool Task Force meetings.
I would guess usual delays may hold things up, but I'd be happy to put a little wager that it will be complete, with traffic light, by the end of 2009.

 

So Lee, I explained about this before...that there is not a contiguous 60 acre parcel of buildable land back there. Have you found one? If there is, this may be a viable argument.
Even if there is, it is debatable that this location would serve the county better. It is too far to the east.

 

There initially was a required proffer for there to be a "mental services" in Broadlands in a section of land east of the Safeway Center.
The proposed BRMC will have juvenile mental health beds, although I don't recall the exact number. The adult mental health beds were removed.
The beds will replace the Dominion Hospital in Falls Church which currently has adult and juvenile beds. The building is old and outdated.
I visited it a few times during the last go-around. I talked to Fairfax deputies that patrolled that area and spoke to some residents near it. It is also surrounded by residential units (multi-family) but there are single family homes a few blocks away. They had NO issues with the hospital or any criminal activity.
Welcome back, Brooks5.

 

No personal agenda hear at all. I'm advocating a new COUNTY hospital facility, whether it's built here or somewhere else.
I did my research, looked at the issues presented from both sides, did my own legwork and reached a conclusion to support it.
And I deeply despise your insinuations about my character. If you want to get some facts and debate the merits, I'm all ears. Until you do, you have zero credibility with me.

 

I think it would be a huge positive effect for the area. I think the hospital would bring in 300 positions....people who may be shopping for homes. It would also bring a tremendous amount of business to our local shops and restaurants.
Clyde's was thrilled with the hospital announcement. When it got turned down, they scaled back the size of the restaurant. They eventually plan to add one more section to it at a later date.

Spent an hour and a half at Loudoun Hospital today. Not one screaming ambulance, helicopter, or criminal in sight!