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01-20-06 Accident

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by DAD4, Jan 20, 2006.

  1. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    You also could put up cameras to monitor the roads.

    Lee J Buividas
     
  2. southernwalkres

    southernwalkres New Member

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    ...and maybe some roadside IEDs that are triggered when the driver is a minimum of 15 mph over the speed limit. This will insure the offender never speeds again. ;)
     
  3. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Too bad that's no longer legal in Virginia. The law that allowed them has expired.
     
  4. lilpea

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    . Someone mentioned in this thread; "bone up and buy some radar and red light cameras" - what a great idea (if it is legal to "clock" the drivers)...I would like to go on record and say that my husband and I would contribute $2,000 for the purchase of the mentioned equipment and volunteer our time to document the excessive speeding along Claiborne Pkwy.
    In addition increasing/adding an additional fine (similar to Ashburn Village) would be a great idea for the HOA & Sheriff’s Office to consider.
    Bottom line, most of the residence agree that there is a problem with the speeding within Broadlands we are offering both financial backing and our time to ensure that Broadlands continues to be a safe neighborhood.
     
  5. tyger31

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    My husband and I would gladly volunteer our time as well - we're daily walkers and one of these days - one of us will get hit....i.e. drivers who do not stop at stop signs and don't yield to people crossing the street or just flat out are speeding down Claiborne and other side streets. Vestals Gap is also bad with speeders. My husband and I have often wondered....why do all the different developments have different speed limits in Ashburn? You drive in Broadlands and the limit is 45, then you go to Ashburn Farm where it's down to 40 and then of course drive in Ashburn Village and it's 35. Why? I would think that all the developments would be the same. I for one think 45 on Claiborne is too high....because then people drive 55. Just my opinion.
     
  6. neilz

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    The reason the limits are different on Claiborne is this:

    The road is designed for 45 MPH and was presented to VDOT at that speed, VDOT requires that the signage prior to turnover from the developer to VDOT reflect the speed as listed in the original documents. So, once Claiborne is turned over, the HOA can initiate a speed reduction, if it so wishes. In the Farm, I am given to understand that the HOA there requested a 40 mph on its divided roads. If you note, as you head east on Ashburn Farm Road where it turns into Farmwell, the speed goes up to 45.

    The Village, however, is a different story. That road was not designed as Claiborne was. As you drive it you'll see that many areas of AV Parkway do not have curbs, nor dedicated concrete sidewalks. The fastest speed VDOT will allow, I believe, is 35 mph.



    Neil Z.
    Resident since 1999
     
  7. lilpea

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    Tyger31 - Thank you very much for also stepping up and offering your time. It was actually refreshing to see another resident offering their assistance - as in many post - it seems that we all "talk the talk" but rarely define a plan to correct an ongoing issue. So again I applaud you for stepping up and look forward to working with you. Hopefully you can also attend the meeting in February, if not I will keep you posted to the progress of a resolution.

    Neil - Thank you for the education of the differing speed limits with in the 20147 & 20148 zip codes. However do you have any insight to a potential resolution (as you seem to post a response to almost every thread within the forum)? My husband and I are actually offering our money and time to help resolve the issue. I am curious to learn (as you mention "a Member of the HOA Board") what resolution you may propose - other than deferring the responsibility to adult drivers. Let's come up with an actionable plan.
     
  8. kholbert

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    Does anyone recall the teenage boys who died on Wyndridge a year or so ago? They were riding in the back of a pickup truck driven by their 15 YO unlicenced friend who flipped the truck due to speeding. One of the boys who died was the son of my kids teacher. More teens die due to car accidents than any other cause. Yet despite the dangers, some parents of teens fail to set enough limits on their kids and cars. I don't claim to be an expert but I've read alot of news articles about teen drivers. My oldest boy is 12, just 3 years shy of the girl who died last week in the Jetta her parents gave her. He won't be allowed to drive unless myself or wife are in the car. He won't drive alone until 18. Some may say thats too harsh but honestly, where do highschoolers NEED to drive? I have a friend and a neighbor who drives his 16 YO son to his after school activities and socials. Sure its an inconvience but he wants to make sure his son survives high school. His son is not allowed to be a passenger in any car driven by a teen. Some have said that "boys will be boys", but knowing that why on earth would you give them enough rope (keys to a car) to hang themselves? How many Loudoun teens must we lose before parents realize that THEY (not the law or teachers) are responsible for developing safe teen drivers.
     
  9. tyger31

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    Amen! I totally agree. My son is now 23 years old. Number one - we taught him to drive - some parents only rely on those driving schools where the instructors don't give enough behind the wheel time and then let them drive anywhere. Number two - when he did get his license...we only allowed him to drive within Ashburn and no one was allowed in his car nor was he allowed to drive with other teenagers. He's alive today and he's an excellent driver. It's not only boys will be boys - girls are just as bad. I think parents somehow are relieved when their child gets their license - then they don't have to bother driving them around. It was never an inconvenience for us - at least I knew he arrived safely. It all boils down to the parents. And parents - it does help if you have good driving habits as well. Kids do notice.
     
  10. tyger31

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    Amen! I totally agree. My son is now 23 years old. Number one - we taught him to drive - some parents only rely on those driving schools where the instructors don't give enough behind the wheel time and then let them drive anywhere. Number two - when he did get his license...we only allowed him to drive within Ashburn and no one was allowed in his car nor was he allowed to drive with other teenagers. He's alive today and he's an excellent driver. It's not only boys will be boys - girls are just as bad. I think parents somehow are relieved when their child gets their license - then they don't have to bother driving them around. It was never an inconvenience for us - at least I knew he arrived safely. It all boils down to the parents. And parents - it does help if you have good driving habits as well. Kids do notice.
     
  11. Homer Simpson

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    Teens need practice driving. My dad made me drive all the way up to Jersey with him after I got my learners. Where did I need to go at age 16? I had to drive from Oak Grove Va to Doswell Va for my job. Then when I went to college I had to drive from Blacksburg to Richmond many weekends.

    Yeah driving here is tough, this is the big city compared to the rest of the state and it can be daunting even for adults from the proverbialy sticks. But teens need to practice, practice, practice.

    However, looking back, all of my bone headed manuevers except for few caused by lack of sleep from the job were when teens were in the car with me. So I support not having more then one other teen in a car with a 16-17 yrs old and no other teens in the car for those only learners.

    Now when I got my license we didn't have these new fangled gadgets called cell phones. I was lucky to have a tape deck, and was considered high tech when I got the CD player and speakers with lights in them. But I can definately see how some teens would not be able to handle driving while on the cell phone. Heck, I don't think most adults can handle driving with the cell phone and a good percentage of those can't drive, at all!
     
  12. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    did you have a slammed S-10 truck homer?? :D just had to chuckle with the speakers w/lights

    -Steve
     
  13. brim

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    I had a lowered 92 S-10! My dad still has it. Mine was tasteful tho (bought new, one color, buckets), not one of those beat to hell rustbuckets you saw/see. Never wrecked it, never dented it...

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  14. Homer Simpson

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    Lol, no I had that in a green Geo Metro, which I had up until 2001.

    My dad had the first run Ford Lightning, it got 5 MPG!!!!
     
  15. T8erman

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    Not funny.

     
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    No lowered trucks when I was a teen.... I had a Ford Bronco, lifted, with huge Mickey Thompsons.
     
  17. broadmind

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    Agreed. Based on the descriptions so far, kudos to the police officer.
     
  18. kholbert

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    Drivers ed is a joke. Most of what is taught to new drivers by schools is just enough to have them "PASS" their driving test. They do not learn effective ways to avoid accidents or how to handle their cars at the limits. A few years ago I took a BMW performance driving class. There I learned from race drivers the proper way to hold the steering wheel, scan for traffic, accelerate, brake, enter a corner, and avoid obstacles. In other words how to DRIVE not just OPERATE a car. That class has helped me avoid countless accidents since I knew what my car was capable of at its limits. The instructor said most drivers dont know what their car will do in an emergency an as a result they lock up the brakes and crash instead of manuvering around the obstacle. As with anything, it takes practice to become good. Many teens will say they are good drivers since they've never got a ticket or had an accident. NO teen is a good driver since their rates don't go down until they are over 21.

    A good place to develop driving skills is at the track. There is an indoor performance go kart track in Sterling near Costco. I've been a couple of times and would highly recommend it as a safe racing outlet for teens. http://www.allsportsgp.com/kids.htm

    Teen driving statistics: http://www.rmiia.org/Auto/Teens/Teen_Driving_Statistics.htm
     
  19. Lee

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    I agree one hundred percent with you klolbert
    There are also courses up in West Virginia and Maryland that teach defensive driving and highly recommended for adults and new drivers, even offer classes in racing I will post the names and websites of these schools when I can find them again

    Lee J Buividas
     
  20. Lee

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    talking about fines why not have them shoot through the roof after the first or second offense and lose license on third jail time on the fourth. Another problem that is not addressed very well is falling asleep at the wheel which I read somewhere kills more people then drunk driving. red light and stop sign runners are just playing russian roulett with themselves and their families and should be treated like drunken drivers.

    Lee J Buividas
     

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