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BMW Tire Pressure Monitor issue

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by backtothewoooo, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. backtothewoooo

    backtothewoooo Member

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    The Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) on my BMW keeps acting up lately. It keeps telling me my tires are low, when they are not. It happens when it gets cold. Is anybody else having this issue? or is it just me?

    Any input would be appreciated.
     
  2. dbrow

    dbrow Member

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    If you haven't already, check your spare.
     
  3. bladerunner

    bladerunner New Member

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    Temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy of individual air molecules. If air is heated within a closed container, such as a tire which is enclosed with air, the air pressure inside the container will rise following Charles's 2nd law. You get the opposite effect if in the cold, you'll lose pressure and density. Your seeing a "flat" TPS warning in the cold because of the loss in air pressure. The TPS sensor can be reset at any given pressure with a reset button in your car. I'm betting your setting for the TPS is set at 33psi and your normal temperature tire pressure is prob. at the threshold before the TPS senses low air. Once it gets colder, you see a drop in psi thus activating the TPS sensor.
     
  4. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    backtothewoo - based on Bladerunner's AWESOME explaination.

    I can confirm his explaination -
    our BMW's TMP has activated during really cold temps (on the rare occasion we didnt park it in the garage). I took it in for service about a month ago.

    The tech recommended that we warm up the car 2-5 minutes and drive a few miles. Sure enough the TMP warning disengaged once the tires were warmed do to road surface & friction. Tech explained kenetic energy will heat the air and increase tire pressure.

    Based on this - we have not had an issue
     
  5. GeauxTigers

    GeauxTigers Member

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    I am fairly sure this is normal. Our car gives the same warning when it's cold. If you check your tires manually with a guage you'll find that the pressure really is that low. It's a factor of temperature. I am not sure how the BMW warning is but it's fairly annoying on the Acura when the temperature varies a lot.
     
  6. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    temperature would explain low air pressure - it would not explain going off even if the pressure is not low. If you measure the tire pressure, and its not low - its not low to the TPM either.

    Driving around and waiting for the TPM to turn off is still ignoring the low pressure in the tires. You should measure your tire pressure cold. Tires will increase as much as 5-6 PSI after warming up.

    Low profile tires often lose pressure when it first gets cold out.. but the tire pressure should be reflected when you measure it (assuming you measure it BEFORE you go and drive around awhile) and generally it should stabalize after the first big drop.

    Every year the first big chill morning we have, my tires are down 3-5 psi. But once I top them off for the winter season, they are stable through the rest of the winter.

    My car tells the PSI per tire, not just a general warning.
     
  7. bladerunner

    bladerunner New Member

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    What kind of fancy city slicker car tells the pressure of each tire and displays that information, that's NASA stuff your talkin bout, who you tryin to fool. Either that, or you must drive one of them real expensive imported automobiles.
     
  8. GeauxTigers

    GeauxTigers Member

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    It's fairly common now even on mid-range domestics. We test drove a
    Taurus the other day and TPM is standard across all trims. I am not sure if it tells you specifically each tire level but it does have some form of a monitoring system.
     
  9. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Keep trollin - it makes it easier to justify your removal.

    Most cars these days have a overall warning but don't tell you actual pressure in each tire. I assume they do it that way to save display costs in some fashion or there is some lower grade of sensor that just triggers on thresholds vs actual reporting of measurements. Other more advanced systems report pressure per tire and display it usually on some sort of multi-functional display. The more basic systems tend to just have a light similar to the check engine light, oil pressure, etc.
     
  10. polar8825

    polar8825 Human Propulsion Expert

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    I'm pretty sure all new cars must have some type of TPM system as an active safety system per the NTSB.

    You can thank Ford Motor Company and Firestone [​IMG]
     
  11. lilpea

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    Not trying to stir the pot ;)

    I absolutely trust the recommendation of my BMW "master" tech and his instructions turned my BMW TPM off during a few fluke alerts (one of the first things he did was check the spare) prior to dispensing his advice.

    In theory if makes sense that after the first cold blast the tires will regulate - however we have had a crazy winter with temps with record highs and lows in a short period of time.
     
  12. volvo_nut

    volvo_nut New Member

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    My little VW GTI has a TPMS, certainly not a fancy high-roller Bimmer. :)

    If you plan on adding a separate set of snow tires (like we need them!), expect to drop $200 or so on a set of sensors - otherwise the little warning light will come on.

    Tire Rack and other companies sells kits, 3rd Eye is the name of one example
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Sure.. because the point is the big temp change is responsible for the tires leaking some.... more big swings.. more leaks :)

    Temp changes are going to bring one of two things or both
    - lower pressure through lower temps in the tire. This is temporary and the drop from your normal cold temp should be minor. 1-3 psi probably tops
    - lower pressure through leakage due to temperature changes in the tire itself causing a slight leak until the tire adjusts itself

    Obviously the first case is only temporary, the second case is you drop, and you stay dropped. This is all measuring the tires 'cold'. In both cases, driving around is going to raise the tire pressure... but that raise is only temporary. The key is simply what do the tires settle back to when cold. So if you lost pressure, ignoring the TPM and driving around WILL raise the pressure... until the tires cool off and the next morning.. the pressure is low again.

    All I'm trying to say is.. if you have to ignore the TPM regularly, your pressure is too low. Your tire pressure readings are supposed to be when the tire is cold - not hot.

    I have to give my tires a shot every winter - its like clockwork when it first gets cold. But I also have performance summer tires. They change dramatically in the cold (about less then 40degrees).
     

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