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Broadlands Hospital

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by joy, Jun 18, 2002.

  1. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    we Broadlanders ARE a bigger threat to ourselves and ALREADY our own worst enemy when it comes to speeding. it's already a prevalent problem here- and with NO emergency motivation- just the self absorbed attitude many drivers have.

    and someone who doesn't know the neighborhood well won't speed through it to find the hospital. you have to drive sensibly enough to see the signs!
     
  2. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    But year round golf is worth it! :D

    Sorry about Brady my man!

    GO SOX!
     
  3. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Let's remember most of the "fast movers" trying to get to the ER will be ambulances and they will be using Belmont Ridge.

    Honestly, how often is someone going to be pressing the metal in a life threatening situation to get to the hospital? If I see someone doin that I'll get the heck out of the way and let em go for it. Realistically, Ill never see that in my lifetime.

     
  4. Mr Rogers

    Mr Rogers Active Member

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    That was the point of my post. It has been claimed by "pro-BRMC-ers" that the hospital will have no negative effect on the values of homes in the immediate area, and that it may actually INCREASE the values of these homes. It has also been stated by "pro-BRMC-ers" that there is no evidence of the negative effect that a hospital would have on adjacent properties. I was presenting evidence, not proof.

    Really, the bottom line with this situation is that the "opposing viewpoints" appear to be immovable. I would assume that most ppl have "taken sides" and have their minds 99.97 percent made up. It really doesn't really matter what either side says, the opposite is only going to come up with a counter-point.

    My only reason for continuing to post is in the hope that the "pro-BRMC-ers" will consider the potential for negative outcomes from the proposed hospital project. It seems like they are denying the potential for anything bad coming to our community from the project.
     
  5. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough. But for me the positives of having a hospital far out weigh the "possible" negatives.

    And several of the possible negatives would come with whatever may be built there.
     
  6. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    What... that a house built next to an existing 4 lane road is not as desirable as a house built near no road?

    What relevance is this? The road is there regardless of the hospital.

    Everyone already knows that a house all alone is more desirable (to most) then one built next to commercial property.

    The claim is that a hospital would FURTHER push down values. Your 'research' does not validate that claim at all.

    Your 'evidence' is fundamentally flawed and useless. Because you did not compare like situations. You should be comparing those adjacent to a commercial property and road.. compared to those next to a hospital and road. Not property adjacent to nothing.
     
  7. Mr Rogers

    Mr Rogers Active Member

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    The point of my last post....
     
  8. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    Also, you have to take into account whether the decreased value was already built into the original sales price. I assume that the homes across from the Safeway shopping center--as well as homes backing up to Claiborne or 267--were originally sold at a discount because of their location.
     
  9. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    Right. And if that's the case, then to those who purchased homes backing to Broadlands Blvd I would say, too bad! You got your house at a discount compared to your Broadlands neighbors precisely because of your proximity to Broadlands Blvd and the commercial (or hospital) property across the street. And you pay less taxes than your neighbors. Having reaped the benefits of this discount, you're in no position to now complain that something is going to be build across the street from you.
     
  10. fidothedog

    fidothedog Member

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    In the traffic studies done by both sides of this argument, what assessment has been done to determine when the traffic will occur?

    For instance, the School Board building is pretty much vacant every evening after 5 pm and during the weekends so it does not add very much traffic (IMO) to the neighborhood when most families are up and about. I would say the same thing about my office building in Tysons Corner with most traffic activity occuring between 8 am and 5 pm.

    I believe the hospital will be 24/7 with understanding that most traffic will occur during the weekday 9 to 5 pm timeframe (for standard doctors visits). I would expect that there will be some degree of traffic after 5 pm and during the weekends.

    In this context, how much additional traffic will be on our roads during our peak family times in the neighborhood?

    I realize that there are some families out between 8 am and 5 pm during the workweek, especially if the children do not go to school.
     
  11. a4guy

    a4guy New Member

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    I haven't seen one study, so I won't be able to help you. But my own 'study' (i.e. living near Fair Oaks hospital, working near Reston Hospital and driving near Loudoun Hospital for years and years) has shown me this:

    There is no huge increase in traffic.

    Have you ever waited in traffic to get into a hospital?

    Have you ever been stuck in traffic to visit your local doctor at an office park?

    Do you see a line of cars waiting to get into Loudoun Hospital?

    Do you hear any reports of crazy traffic or accidents that are gridlocking the Reston Town Center area?

    I'd bet that the answer to those questions is no.

    Will this mean the BRMC won't have traffic? I can't say. I haven't done a study.

    But from what I've seen in the 23+ years I've lived in NoVA, I'm not worried.

    However, knowing VDOT, we'll have 10 more 4-way stops near the area to make our lives fun.
     
  12. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    Question for those who work at hospitals: do most people who work at hospitals work shifts such as 7-3, 3-11 and 11-7? Just wondering. If so, then that group of people will be arriving and departing prior to rush hour. Never thought about that before.
     
  13. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    As for "neighborhhod" traffic, with the exception of Broadlands residents, I would go out on a limb and say that the hospital will not generate traffic on the interior community roads. What little traffic addition will be almost exclusively on the major arteries (4 lane) in Broadlands. And I do believe that they can handle any traffic increase the hospital would generate more than adequately.
     
  14. technosapien

    technosapien New Member

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    This primarily will depend on what you consider "peak family times" - it's not quite clear from your post. Are peak family times 8am and 5pm? 7am and 3-6pm?

    This is how many shifts are handled, however nursing shifts are mostly 12-hour and typically run 7a-7p. Emergency rooms sometime have rotating shifts (7-7, 3-3, 11-11) to ensure care coverage during shift changes. Surgery may have off-shifts, like 6-6 or 8-8 depending on how they're scheduled.

    So usually, hospital workers arrive for work 30 minutes to an hour ahead of time, for report. So majority of AM traffic will be arriving at hospital between 6am and 7am, then the leaving shift between 7am and 7:30am. Repeat for 7pm shift. The "typical PM rush hour" will have - relatively speaking - few hospital workers in it. Those would be clinics, day surgery, and office workers, like Information Systems, Foundation, business offices, Management/Executives to name a few, plus daytime-only specialties.

    From the perspective of patients and visitors, I think the impact is spread out over the day. Most hospitals have visiting hours from 7am to 10pm, and people come and go, it's not a mad rush all at one time. People attending clinics, outpatient facilities or day surgery are typically coming and going all day, with the possible exception of day surgery -- those patients usually come and go in several small waves through the day (morning, late morning, early afternoon, evening).

    Even the emergency department - as any ED nurse will tell you - is a constant operation. There may be a slight increase in traffic spread out through the day (and there are peak times for ED which differ based on time of the year, the season, the weather...) but I don't think it will significantly affect the typical rush hour traffic patterns around the area.

    Just some thoughts.
     
  15. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    Thanks for the perspective and insight--seems that overall the hospital traffic will not be concentrated during "normal" peak times.
     
  16. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    The latest staff report from the County indicates that the hospital will not generate any more traffic than an office park.
    In the study performed the last time around, it showed that during the peak am/pm hours, there is significantly LESS traffic that an office park, resulting in LESS likelihood that there will be cut-through traffic.
     
  17. 24around

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    FYI - I received a phone call today from the "Concerned Citizens of Broadlands" to ask if I was still opposed to the construction of the BRMC Hospital. When I questioned them regarding "how" they had my phone number, I was told they acquired my "opposition" status by personally talking to me a few weeks ago.

    This seriously annoyed me because 1) I did NOT talk to anyone affiliated with this group, and 2) I have NEVER provided a "for" or "against" stance toward the hospital issue. HOW they got their information, I will never know. Many, many years ago (WAY back when this first started), I signed up for information only with someone, but I don't know who... I have since received multiple emails and now a phone call from the Concerned Citizens of Broadlands about my so-called "opposition". I HAVE NEVER VOICED MY OPINION TO EITHER SIDE.

    Now I am angry.

    To the Concerned Citizens of Broadlands group: You have officially angered me with your persistent push. Come clean with your list of supporters so that those of us WHO DO NOT WISH to be on it, can get off!! At this point - Screw the facts, I want the hospital to be built just to piss you people off.
     
  18. technosapien

    technosapien New Member

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    Yes, I keep forgetting to compare with an office park.
    Thanks for adding that in.
     
  19. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Did you ever sign up to help the Eagle Ridge PTA or the Broadlands Neighborhood Watch?



     
  20. BRMC is Not 4 Me

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    For those who were unable to attend our video presentation, I would like to invite you to view it online @ ftp://ftp.efxmedia.com/Public/Broadlands/ As a side note, all the information gathered on this video was generated from like hospitals as well as from the current traffic study and application information provided by BRMC to the Board of Supervisors.
     

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