Broadlands Hospital

At one point you want it more accessible to the west and now you want it even further away!?!?!

And isn't that land already slated for the golf course?

 

Why does everyone think a hospital of the proposed size will generate so much traffic?

As I said before, my wife worked at the professional bldg for Reston hospital for years. I visited her at various times during the day and a no time was traffic ever an issue unless it was during normal rush hour.

As for commuting, people who work at the hospital would be coming IN while those of us who live here would be going OUT.

As for the arguments of "where", personally I do not think we should have much of a say. HCA is for PROFIT. Anyone of us here starting a business would want to pick the optimum place too.

Let's get a new hospital in Loudoun SOONEST as WE NEED IT! Not debate for another 2-3 years and then get approvals and finally have the damn thing built sometime near 2020 (probably a realistic date).

 

I don't I think I said that . There is far more land there available there and it is in the airport noise zone and no residential and would help the desperately needed road system where it is needed right now. The waxpool taskforce will be talking about what they can do when this hospital could get it done now and plenty of room for doctor offices and for real expansion into a flown blown trauma center if needed in the years to come.

We now have slow growth supervisors and planning commissioners so what is the hurry!!!! We should study this under the new growth policies of Loudoun and help the traffic on waxpool to boot. Do we have that many critically sick people here that need a hospital so quick. I can tell you the care I got at loudoun hospital was far superior then the profit motivated NOVA care having me taking tests that I did not want. And when I told them I did not want the test ran they did it anyway and charged me for it. Threatening to ruin my credit in the process if I don't pay them. So a hospital for profit makes me wonder after that experience.

Lee j

 

Lee, NOVA care is not a hospital and can't be compared to Loudoun Hospital or HCA. The State systematically and with due study determines were the Commonwealth needs hospital beds, it's not up to Loudoun or any other jurisidiction. All beds are determined from Richmond. It actually is a good thing, as it removes politics and corporate greed from the decision cycle. HCA currently owns the COPN (certificate of public need) for Loudoun's next 208 (give or take a few, I am going from memory on the number) hospital beds. The state determined the need for beds in Loudoun years ago. The need for beds is not part of this debate. p.s. I'll give you a call next week some time.

 

Looking Forward to your call AFGM

Lee j

 

I will add I am just venting from my own personal experience about NOVA Urgent care. I am sure they are an excellent place to go for everyday normal and very basic emergencies and regualar health care. I am sure their doctors are excellent.

Having said that I have learned from this experience what most urgent cares can do and not do. I am very hands on about my health and most things around me. So I have a problem when a doctor continues running the test when I said stop and I have a problem when a clinic will continue to put on a show thinking it will protect them from whatever.

Lesson learned here never go to an urgent care with broken bones. Second lesson is pick doctors compatible with ones personality and the kind of care you want. Sports doctor is the only kind of doctor for me from now on, for general check ups and tests.

I had a complete physical at the cooper clinic in Dallas years ago. I consider the cooper clinic as a sports clinic at least in my eyes.

The care and doctors were the best I have ever had which I have not seen many doctors in my lifetime except designing homes for them ha ha I my own case I believe in exercise as the best cure and care for ones self one can get. ALthough don't look at me these days ha ha cetainly not practicing what i preach lately but have been exercising regularly the last few weeks.

My last word on the NOVA Urgent care and I am sure they will be reading my very nice but time line of the experience I had with them and why I feel the way I do about the care I got there. I even wrote down every pill I took during that period down to the minute and date and that is no joke as I don't even take an aspirin except on a rare occasion.

OK have I put everyone to sleep now??? :indiff2:

Lee j

 

Your last word? Or your last, last word? Or last, last, last word?

Or your las..... OH NEVERMIND!

 

Yes, I support the hospital. Given that that property will be developed, I believe the hospital is a better use and will have less negative impact on the community than a 7 building office park that levels the property from one end to the other with acres and acres of lit parking lots. It would be nice if the property remained trees, but that's not going to happen.

Years ago, I organized a Hospital Task Force of Broadlands residents who were opposed, neutral, and against the hospital. I have listened to both sides of the issue. Notes from these meetings were published in the newsletter.But it is the hundreds of hours I spent looking into the facts, claims, and accusations that have led me to support it.

I don't see it having any more negative impact on the property than any other use for that site. I have heard from many realtors who stress it as a POSITIVE for the community. And as I've said, the homes up near the corner by the hospital entrance all sold fairly quickly in a soft market. I've spoken to a few of them who were well aware of the hospital and it didn't deter them.

 

Hey T8 you should be watching the skins rather then commenting on my many last words I have the outlaws here so I have a reason to want to escape. And guess what I am taking the week off and not going anywhere especially after the two weeks of thanksgiving having out of town friends here including my very best friend a single very pretty actress that is looking for someone outside of LA ha ha ha ha Too bad we did not have an HH when they were here. so there may be just a few extra last words over the next week!!!!

Although I am going to give Cliff the grand tour next week so he can report back that I really do work and design homes ha ha ha And now AFGM wants to have Lunch with me next week so there will be times I will be nowhere my computer. After hanging out with both cliff and afgm I there is the possibility I could become the biggest supporter of this new hospital, but moving it to a location to where we can solve the waxpool problem is still first on my mind, especially since there will be very little money for roads these next four years and it does not look bright that the commercial is going to get better only worse.

Lee j

 

Lee-
Allow me to reiterate..you seemed to miss it:
Already been looked at. First, the county would prefer a hospital farther west, not east. The eastern fringe is already close to Reston and Inova.
Several years ago, the county said the best place for a hospital would be along the Greenway, as far west as possible. The current BRMC site is the furthest west on the Greenway that has water and sewer available and large enough (60 acres).
A location on Rte 50 does not have the population base to support a hospital, nor does it have good access for western Loudoun, other than Middleburg and Aldie, which is a small part of the population. The bulk of western Loudoun is along Rte 7 or north. This area is much better served by a hospital near the Greenway rather than Rte 50 or near 28.
Also, the parcels of land that Verizon had were broken up into smaller parcels or had too much flood plain on them.

Lee, ALL hospitals are in the business to make a profit. According to the Washington Post article a few months ago, Inova's profit margin is huge. The article also discussed the aggressive tactics of Inova in trying to dominate the market here and keep out competition. It also pointed out the negative impacts a monopolistic healthcare system can have by driving up costs and dictating rates to insurance companies. Not a good thing.

Did you notice that when HealthSouth announced their plans for the rehab beds, Inova said they want rehab beds at the Cornwall Campus? And I guarantee you they will use every ploy possible to twist arms to get theirs approved and the other denied.

 

Well my site is only a couple of miles away on the greenway with better chance of access and fixing waxpool

And why was it voted down if this site is the perfect site to put it?????
Perhaps like the rec center one gets too close to a project that one no longer sees the big picture as things change. And miss how the entire population around here feels just throwing this out there. Here is a chance to fix waxpool during millers 4 years with moving the hospital to where it could do that. I would agree with you if you put it out by the leesburg airport but we are not talking much distance between aol and broadlands. So I don't buy that argument. I am thinking regionally not just broadlands and thinking how can we fix waxpool without talking about it for four years.

Anyway I am open to anything and need to do my own research over the next couple of months. I have already been stung by one medical experience recently so I am a little gun shy at the moment ANd do we really have the population here when you are sharing it with an existing non profit hospital???? that has several locations including leesburg. I have never heard anybody being turned away from loudoun hospital for lack of beds and they just expanded and are expanding again and expanding in Leesburg also.

Lee j

 

That explains it!!! Lee has one bad experience at a doctor therefore kill the hospital!!! Pages and pages of rants!!!

By the way, I really like the NOVA facility and I think they provide fantastic services. Dr. Keenan has done a wonderful job there.

 

Thank you steve that is what I said earlier today. It is not comparing apples to apples. Hopefully me agreeing with you I don't hurt your reputation

 

And that has nothing to do with my exploring all the ins and outs of why there should or should not build the hospital in the broadlands rather then where it could possibility do more good all the way around. I am very open minded at the moment I am just saying another study should be done since so many years have passed since the last one. Sometimes like designing a project even though I may start falling in love with it you have to step back and take many looks that it is right for the client and sometimes you just scrap the design and start from a different perspective. Much better to do it on paper then to try to correct the design once it starts to be built. I am just saying we should explore all possibilities and sometimes a new eyes can see things that others deeply in love with their project can't anymore be objective. I say it is worth a study to make sure this is the correct thing to do with new eyes looking at it that is all I am saying Cliff. Just like I did with Nova Urgent care when I did not agree with them I found another doctor I am happy with. And that does not mean NOVA urgent care is not an excellent place for medical care if you fit their way of doing care. I just don't personally fit in with the way they do care. That is my personal decision not a reflection on their entire operation for how others may or may not feel.

Lee j

Lee j

 

Let's see......6 Republicans were just elected.
The head of the LCRC woked for Inova.
The Chair of the Planning Commission was on Loudoun hospital's board.
The head cheerleader and strategist for several of the Republican's that won was a huge Loudoun Hospital supporter.
Hmmmm.....I wonder why........

 

Lee-
I fully support your doing all of the research for finding available land, coordinating with HCA and Inova to show them where they need to build a hospital, and convincing the county that your chosen site makes the most sense. It should be a quick and easy process. I will await your results!

 

As I've said before, Lee, do your research. I'm curious what your response will be when you see how underserved we are. If you need some help, let me know. I have the numbers.
Consider yourself lucky that you rarely need medical care. I can show you many people that have to wait months to see various Specialist's because we don't have enough around here.

 

I think not-for-profit architects do a much better job than for-profit architects. Which type are you, Lee??

 

We are against the hospital being built in the Broadlands for several reasons;

1) The property was never zoned for it originally
2) It's 24 x 7 x 365 the hospital never closes and traffic everyday
3) Helipad -
4) Sirens - I don't care what anybody says there are always sirens. "Oh we shut them off when we get close". Maybe when your backing into the emergency room door.
5) Parking - Ever find a hospital that doesn't have a parking issue. The overflow will go into the neighborhood streets.
6) Truro Parish - speeds will only increase on a road that is already narrow since people park on both sides of the street

There are others but these are why we don't want the Hospital here. I know I'll get the responses from the crowd of supporters saying that they have researched this for hundreds of hours and my statements are wrong. They are entitled to there opininons and that is what makes this a great country.

If the hospital does get built will I move? Not because of the hospital, but maybe for a host of other reasons.

All the best to everybody and I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas!
Genco