Broadlands Hospital

Hey folks, don't worry about defending me from Nova Native. This person has gone after me in the past. I guess they just don't like me!:sadcry:

 

Donna's lucky that HCA's legal team takes the high road - b/c if she is linked to this site...it better have facts and not more blind hysteria for the drama kings/queens to feed their hunger of fear-mongering & NIMBY

 

Haha, good call Vacliff! Only difference is this one has a lot more money behind it.

The last Donna site was supposed to be "totally unbiased, and a place for the truth about Loudoun healthcare". Of course, the author saw no issues with having the logo represented by the words, "Broadlands Hospital" with the "o" blown up and showing a red circle with a cross through it. Real unbias:rolleyes3:

 

How is that possible?

 

Actually, Donna, there was originally 15. Why don't you enlighten us as to who wrote the 15 reasons, what that 15th reason was, and why it was scratched off?

That was only one example you are now using out of context. There are many residents that live nearby that support it.

Yes, your favorite mantra. Also look into the history of the company as to how and why it happened. Also, all the perpetrators are long gone. None of this activity occurred here. If someone wants to know about what type of hospital HCA operates, go to Reston Hospital. It is also HCA owned.

First I heard of this one! Were they successful? Did they refuse to pay what they owe? Or did they contest their assessed value?

The plans they have shown show the proposed expansion.

Wasn't it interesting to see all the additional services added to Loudoun hospital...that they added after BRMC was announced. Isn't competition a wonderful thing? I wonder what more medical care services we will get if another hospital is built!

Do hundreds of Broadlands residents want this hospital built? YES

Isn't it great they changed their mind?

Is Inova Hospital Systems interested in making fat corporate profits and trying to create a monopoly in Northern Virginia which will then put them in a position to further increase their profits by having more control over insurance rates? YES google it!
Isn't it a shame that Inova strong arms indigent patients to get them to pay for services they can't afford? YES google it!

 

...Cliff 30 Donna 14..oh I meant 15 ...points scored off of a baseline lobopcorn:

 

To Cliff: Maybe once. Maybe you are right. I don't really mind the debate. I am actually not decided.

To everyone else: Its just funny when the pea says she likes Donna as a person, but her husband calls her emails "Spam" and says she is spreading lies in the email (I am paraphrasing). Its fine to call Donna biased because she is employed by Inova Loudoun. Maybe they hired her after they saw her opposition to the hospital. I view her kind of as a defense attorney. She argues against the hospital and uses what facts she can to support her arguments. If you can shoot down some of her arguments than that is great. But she does have a disclaimer that states her employer. I think everyone makes errors in their arguments. I don't think attacks on her arguments should become personal.

The tax base argument is starting to agree with me, if we can get them in here without the usual sweetheart tax deal. But then I am just funny in that I let well articulated arguments sway my opinion.

back to Cliff: I am sorry I have been so hard on you before. I just think that you can occasionally be abrasive. Sometimes women have a better bedside manner and take things less personally. I don't doubt that you have done hundreds of hours of research on this subject. I am a Redskins fan. Sometimes I think to the lack of success that our team had under Steve Spurrier. The guy liked golf and didn't seem to work as hard as possible on the football team. At the same time Philladelphia was going to three straight NFC championships. Andy Reid is one of the best coaches in the league. He works very hard with a singular focus. I would much prefer Andy Reid as my football coach. I can't necessarily empathize with his singular focus, but one cannot argue that he has one of the best run organizations in the NFL.

 

I too like Donna as a person, but I never signed up to receive e-mails on this subject, especially ones that argue points that I do not feel to be entirely accurate.

SPAM is unsolicited and indiscriminate e-mails sent in bulk messages. Ergo Donna's e-mail went out to over 100 people including myself and I never requested the information she sent.

Furthermore, the arguements she poses are based on information that is not entirely factual.

• The services that are being offered are the same services HCA proposed and Inova did not have these services before BRMC proposed them.
• The number of hospital beds and the need has been massaged to favor Inova and do not reflect reality
• Has anyone disclosed yet that members of the Inova board were instrumental in writing LC's future medical plans?

So folks need to question everything related to this subject from the Inova camp as half-truths in my book are lies. However, Cliff could speak more on this as he has more history on the subject.

Edit - Ooops, this is meant to be that Cliff has history on the hospital situation not half-truths and lies.

qzpmal

 

Nova - your snarky little comments are most amusing yet lack the teeth to really take a bite...Whats your point? BTW...My hubby believe it or not can speak his mind and on some occasions we agree...we both get Donna's SPAM emails are tainted because she works for Inova and have yet to provide compelling facts.

Here is nice excerpt from Donna's spam-mail sent to us on 12-13

"... I will soon be sending you a link to a new website that we are working on that will provide you all with fact based information on the mistruths that HCA has been advertising: bed shortage, services, competition in healthcare, etc. This website will be a key location to visit for updates, important meetings, court battle decisions, etc. We hope that this website is just as active as the past website that went a long way in educating our local politicians.

In the meantime, I wanted to answer many of you as to what needs to be done and when you will need to gear up to attend another public input session in front of the Board of Supervisors.."

Isnt it odd that this new loudounhealthfacts site is up and running - coincident? I think not...

 

You're right there are no SFH in a 0-200 foot ariel view of Reston Hospital. The $800K Upscale townhomes (which are bigger than some SFH in Broadlands) & the multi 1Million$+ Penthouse suites in the Reston Town Center shouldnt count because those people are living an urban lifestyle. What is the point of not factoring these in...
Reston = Urban

....sorry I just dont agree that your point of throwing out "city style" townhomes - it seems too selective.

300-600+ ariel take your pick of SFH...

600Foot Ariel View of Reston HCA

again sorry Steve I just dont agree with your point of 'city-style' when speaking of reston which is a community defined as one of the first "planned suburban communities"...Go SeaHawks (and yes I went to SLHS for a short time)

So lets say reston is discarded - there are still the 6 other Inova hospitals and Arlington that could draw a compelling debate of building a hospital in a residential area. Bottom line - LoCo needs more hospital beds & more business to generate a business tax base - all of which will benefit residents.

 

For those of you that hide behind anonymity It is difficult for me to remove you from my email list. On the majority of the emails I send out I have an opt out request, which I diligently abide by. I therefore have not recieved a request from any of you asking to be removed from my updates. Please step up and inform me as to who you are and I will gladly remove you from my list.

 

No need to apologize. You have the right to your opinions, I have the right to mine. As far as abrasive, sometimes. Usually in response to a post about me that got personal and away from the facts of an issue.
Actually, I think it is women that tend to take things personal and get more emotional where us guys do not.

For example, your last snipe on me was about my removal of Firetti spam signs. I have always made it a point to remove all of the spam signs.
Even when the facts do not support your accusation, you infer I would not have removed a political competitors signs. Your comment was based on some emotional component, not any facts.

Also, typing posts can often infer to a reader an emotion not intended by the one making the post. Many times I have misread someone's intent, and others have misread mine. On this thread, my misunderstanding of one of Genco's comments is an example.

 

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Originally Posted by thepea2001
So lets say reston is discarded - there are still the 6 other Inova hospitals and Arlington that could draw a compelling debate of building a hospital in a residential area

From what I can see from older satellite views of fairfax and manassas the hospitals expansions are moving so ever closer chopping through the buffer to the homes and getting closer and closer to the hospitals. As the expansions get closer I find it hard to believe that the hospital does not have a significant effect on the homes values, as people today and for the foreseeable future have far more choices to live then they did in the short few years of the boom. So it looks like some here are willing to convince their neighbors that live closest to this new hospital to sacrifice their homes values for all the others that want this hospital. If it is built as laid out now you all might be surprised what you really get in the way of buffers etc.

Throw out any hospital that is in an urban settings in comparing an hospital to the the broadlands hospital.
It is not a fair comparison period.

Also I have seen the actual architects and engineers site plan and the actual plans for the hospital.

I would like to have a copy of them Cliff so I can spend some serious time studying them further, before I comment further. I will say after my brief look at the plans I think significant changes should be made if you all want that hospital on that site. I still personally believe it should be built somewhere else, but if you all think it should be built there make sure you understand what you are really getting beyond the renderings compared to a well designed office park in a park like setting. As far as people saying as one did here that an residential style office park in a park like setting would be not likely, well you are talking through your hat. They are built all the time all over the country.

Be careful what you all wish for Because you may get it and the reality may not live up to the fantasy.

I will say one thing it is an ocean of parking on that site with the parking garage as I understand coming later.

Oceans of parking generally mean clear cutting most of the site and planting twigs that will take 20 years or longer to buffer in a significant way.

Lee j

 

I prefer to stay on it anonymously. I enjoy reading opinion pieces.

 

All of you who are debating how close the hospitals are to the surrounding homes, maybe the point to consider is which came first? Did the hospital show up first and then the houses or vise versa. If some of you can think back to both Fair Oaks and Fairfax, they were much smaller in size when they were first built, and were considerably farther from the existing houses when they were built. Over time, houses have gotten closer to the hospital, and the hospitals have grown. The people who bought those houses which were built closer to the hospital new what they were getting into. I think you need to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. You can't compare Fairfax or Fair Oaks or even Reston of today to our situation. You need to compare the surrounding area of the hospital when it was built.

 

"Anonymity is the hiding place of the uncourageous". Anon.

 

Sorry Steve but you are over looking a SFH community less than 500 ariel feet away - Stratton Woods (back end Rosedown, BaillyCarne )...this community was built in the 70's - I know b/c my family lived there and it was built well before the hospital.

In addition there are several other SFH small communities tucked away directly off Fairfax County Pwky (near Glade) Sanbiel that are less than 800 arield feet away. Basically do a search for Dogwood elementry, yes there are some low income apartments but the majority of those buildins are SFH...draw an ariel line to Reston hospital and you will hit more than 1000+ SFH that are in Reston and run along sunset hills fairfax county pkwy etc. Sorry I dont agree with your assestment of the only homes are in Herndon

 

Wow, Donna, you actually get paid to "reach out" and influence people?! I am undecided on the hospital issue, but jabs like this at people sure don't help your cause.

This kind of snarky post helps reinforce what I used to think was a mischaracterization--that you are not really interested in providing objective facts so people can make up their mind, but rather spread misinformation and skew informatin to suit your viewpoint.

The more I think about it, the more unseemly it is for one hospital to actively lobby against the opening of a competitive hospital. I like competition.