Broadlands Hospital

It's interesting to note that through the whole debacle last time, after hours and hours of meetings and public input, I can't recall a single person who's objection was what the building looked like. It's near and dear to Lee's heart, but apparently no one else's.
I did suggest Lee meet with the folks of BRMC to suggest some design ideas for the building.

 

flynnibus-
You are absolutely correct. The folks in opposition didn't care what the building looked like.
Design is near and dear to Lee's heart, whether it's Clyde's or the hospital, but pretty much NO ONE voiced design as a consideration for or against the hospital or Clyde's.

 

Lee,

You have not done your homework and are making incorrect statements as if you were an expert. BRMC planned a huge buffer after listening to residents concerns. It will be more than 2 football fields distance from the BRMC building to the nearest home. It will be much further away than Clydes is and their plans provide for a significant buffer including landscaping etc. Several area hospitals that I know of (Arlington Hospital for example) are much closer to homes without having any negative impact on home values. The BRMC building won't be as tall as the existing School Admin building. Go by the BRMC office and look at the plans if you want to base your opinion on facts. Your opinions are partly based on incorrect information.

Skins fan

 

You are a fiscal liberal so of course you interpret his words that way! Notice it was a VOLUNTEER initiative, not a government mandate or coercion (like confiscating people's money to pay for supposedly compassionate government programs that enslave and hurt people).

Unfortunately, you are often right about compassion in churches. But I know plenty of people of faith and many churches which are incredibly giving. Anyway, if you look to a Presidential candidate to "care for you" or a government program to be compassionate, you are looking in the wrong direction. Have a great week!

 

Here is what I said above and I have no clue where you are coming from. What have I made up. I said nothing about the fact as to why people did not want clydes in the first place. Where did I say that.

Many projects after the fact become bad projects because people don't realize the effect it can have on the look of an neighborhood until it is too late. Steve you are missing my point and adding in your opinions and conclusions or whatever to what I have said in my posts. I have said nothing of a kind how people felt about Clydes or what the fight was about before it was built. You are the one making up and coming to false conclusions about what I am saying. My conclusions are after the fact about Clydes and you hear it all the time how nice it looks there. Go in and ask the Clydes people what is said about their design of their building. Believe me if it was an fast food sitting there you would hear complaints from the people living right across the street.

Steve you are totally mis-interpreting and coming to your own false conclusions as to my motivations and why I say certain things none if it is fear mongering or do I rewrite history as you try to do it for me. I have only wanted to explain how some projects come about as an win win on all accounts for the community and how it could be accomplished here. Nobody is rewriting history except you in your false interpretations and conclusions as to what I have said and my motivations.
Lee j

 

Have you seen the hospital plans? I have.

And I stand by my statements.

Lee j

 

Lee, I have no idea where you got the plans, who gave them to you to review, or how valid the plans you saw were.

I do know up until the project became a litigious matter, there was still discussion about many of the elements of the hospital, to include, building site location, services to offer, landscaping, roads, parking, etc. It's my opinion nothing was finalized, everything was open for discussion and negotiation.

I don't believe a final plan was ever produced. Concept and design drawings may have been created to solicit in put and provide a foundation for discussion but I can't imagine a final design ever being produced. Certainly not when the project was so up in the air.

Unfortunately the political morass caused the money to go to lawyers rather than architects.

I have a hard time believing whatever you saw was the real deal, and most likely was a concept plan, rather than anything else.

You might want to consider that before making anymore definitive statements about what is or isn't part of the project.

And now for the good news, since you are concerned about design, (and I happen to appreciate your eye for it), you should have plenty of opportunity to comment on what becomes the "real" plan.

No one can argue, HCA was extremely open to public comment on what should and shouldn't be part of the layout and design. They demonstrated extreme flexibility to the community and the concerns mentioned. History proves this fact. I have no reason to believe they won't be as flexible this next go around.

 

Cliff showed me a set of plans

Lee j

 

That doesn't change a thing I just said.

 

All I can say is what ever Cliff showed me and that is what I am basing my opinions on. They sure looked far more along then basic concept drawings. And I design and draw plans for a living.


So if I am basing all my opinions on the wrong drawings then who has the last set of drawings?????????

Lee j

 

You are starting to spin your own posts. Maybe you didn't say why people didn't want Clydes in the first place, but you did state that if the design was different, it would have been hated. I've got to agree with Steve on this one. Secondly, you must be looking into that crystal ball of yours to know that people would have hated another design for eternity (my word, but you did say "beyond").

 

I would like to extend an invitation to any of you that would be interested. Come out to Loudoun, tour the facility and if you would like I can set up a question and answer meeting with members of our staff to discuss the many topics that have been mentioned on this forum. Let me know if this is something that you wouold like me to start setting up. Thanks

 

I have not arrived at a position on the Broadlands hospital. I can see the merits of another hospital in Loudoun, but then I balance that with the fact that there is a shiny new hospital a few minutes away. Being able to walk to the ER would be a bonus (of course, this is America, so everyone would still drive their SUVs the 1/8 of a mile), but is that worth having a noisy, 24/7 hospital in the midst of a quiet nature community? The new hospital may bring new jobs, but it could cause job losses at the hospital down the road.

So, I remain undecided personally. However, one thing that I can decide on is that there is an unseemly amount of vitriol in this thread and it appears to be dividing the Broadlands community more than any other issue. See just some of the accusations above, including the one where one neighbor is accusing another of being a fearmonger and about making up stories.

 

Good luck on that- it is all slated to be homes...

 

Baywatch and flynnibus believe however you want on the way you interpret my posts.

the bigger picture is and I agree with gryphon this topic has really split the community, as no other topic has before.

And depending how you read my posts I can be against or for the hospital. But moving it to an less controversial site would go a long ways in healing the community
And yes design can have an big psychlogical effect on people.

Many books on the topic.

Lee j

 

Lee, like I said a while back and what Cliff said recently. NO ONE REALLY CARES about what the hospital would look like except you.

And if you are truly basing "all your opinions" on drawing... Tsk Tsk Tsk

 

Donna, which facility are you offering tours of?

 

My point is many many times people don't care about the design until; it is too late. It is many times an after thought especially in commercial projects. And clydes still makes this exact point.

It is a shame because you all will look at an architects mistake forever and the doctor will bury his

Lee j

 

I would imagine that as a community, Broadlands would follow the "1/3 rule" for most (NOT ALL) projects.

1/3 are pro
1/3 are against
1/3 don't care