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Car rifled through

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by napper, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. Sasquatch519

    Sasquatch519 Member

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    If you break into a house, your presence is a threat to a person or family even if you don't have a weapon or violent intentions. Therefore, you deserve to get shot. If I were ever on a jury trying someone who shot an intruder in the back, I'd insist he go free.

    Will common sense ever prevail? If you do something as blatantly wrong as break into a house, you should automatically forfeit all rights.
     
  2. wahoogeek

    wahoogeek New Member

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    Are you saying that if someone breaks into your house, they forfeit the right to live? You have the right to shoot them dead?

    just askin'.
     
  3. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    yes and YES. why let you live to terrorize another family? i have no problem with that, but then again, i also believe that if someone gets the death penalty they should be led out of the courtroom and onto a firing squad yard where they are shot dead immediately.
     
  4. fidothedog

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    I would say yes. You have no idea what their intentions are or what they are doing.

    It could be just to smash and grab OR it could to rape and kill.

    This being said, if you have time to demand that they get out of house then you should do it but if someone is coming toward you then let it fire.
     
  5. Chsalas

    Chsalas Active Member

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    First shell is buck shot (attention getter), next will be slugs,
     
  6. Sasquatch519

    Sasquatch519 Member

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    I'll aim for a non-vital area, but no promises. And I'd be firing buckshot, so collateral damage is likely. But you don't break into a house by accident, so you should know you have it coming. Just read the horrible story about the family up in CT where the dad was the only one who lived through the random home invasion. I'm not taking any chances with my family.
     
  7. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    as far as I'm concerned.. as soon as they made the conscious decision to break the law and violate someone else's property and space - they've forfeited everything.
     
  8. CoachCal

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    reminded me of something I read not long ago:

    A few years ago when I was going over homeowner insurance stuff and I inquired about a $50,000 incidentals coverage buried in the fine print. I was told that it covered accidents such as a friend falling down your stairs, or a burglar cutting himself on window... :eek:
     
  9. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    'YES. oh that was so so awful- can you imagine being that man, surviving the brutal massacre of his family... unreal.

    no way am i leaving my fate in the hands of the bad guy who MIGHT choose to leave me alone or MIGHT choose to come back. you will be shot, then you will e in jail or the morgue. i'm not sure what the question is... don't break into my house and i won't shoot you. :) for the most part...
     
  10. diana5869

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    :clap::clap::clap::clap:
     
  11. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Not me, 2 to the head and then one to the body. If you ever need to pull the trigger in self-defense, then do it with extreme prejudice.
     
  12. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Let me throw out a scenario for discussion:

    You're out with some friends at a local bar close to home and decide to head home. You tell your friends that if any of them have too much to drink, they're welcome to walk down to your place and spend the night, and that you'll leave the front door unlocked.

    Later that night, one of your friends decides to take you up on your offer and walks to your street, see's a Jeep in the driveway of your townhouse row and since you drive a similar Jeep he assumes that's your house. He walks up to the door and it's unlocked. He walks in and proceeds to the livingroom. He has in fact entered the wrong house, it's actually your next door neighbor who happens to have the same type of Jeep. Your neighbor hears a noise downstairs, grabs his gun and proceeds down the stairs and notices the intruder. He yells out "Stop right there!". Your friend turns around and realizes he's in the wrong house! "I'm sorry, I thought this was my friend's house!" and begins to dart to the front door. Your neighbor shoots him in the back, assuming he was actually a burglar or something, when in fact it was just an innocent person, with one too many drinks, trying to do the right thing and not drive, being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    What happens now? Were you justified to shoot him? To the earlier poster who indicated if he was on a jury where a homeowner shot someone in the back trying to flee, he would set the homeowner free, how would you react in this particular case?

    Just trying to set some different perspectives here. As a gun owner, I totally understand where people are coming from. I guess in my mind, when using a gun in a situation when someone is clearly 'leaving' the scene (such as a burglar in a home), I would tend to try and get the intruder to stop by using less lethal means and gain control of the situation. I seriously believe you'll be hard pressed to get away scott free when shooting someone in the back when it was clear they were trying to 'leave' (in regards to the State of VA).
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Sounds like the scenario where you're running from the cops because you've done nothing wrong...

    I think the answer is - you don't run from authority. In this case guy with gun pointed at you equals authority.
     
  14. Villager

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    Well, yeah, but sometimes a person's first instinct is to run when surprised like that. For example, in a way less intense experience:

    When I was a senior in high school some friends and I decided to skip out of school and go get lunch at Jack in the Box nearby. Walking there we took the back way through the neighborhood but going back to school we walked right down the main street to the school (stupid!). So the school's law enforcement person (Dallas public schools have that) pulls up and asks what we're doing. My first instinct was to run, which is the main thing I remember about the incident. I'm glad I didn't but still, I was surprised at myself. [[ duh, as if I wouldn't be seen at school the next day and get in trouble then instead! Ah, youth! ]]

    Anyway, my point is that sometimes people's fight or flight instincts kick in so you never know which one will dominate.

    Perhaps a non-lethal poison dart gun would be less deadly and safer than a gun... or a crossbow... I'll have to think outside the gun, as Taco Bell says. Oh wait, maybe that's "bun." Whatever.

    P.S. Jack in the Box burgers are NOT worth skipping school for.
     
  15. Rhaegar

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    I don't disagree, but I will say that there are always shades of gray so I will play devil's advocate. What if that person is a misguided minor. What if that person was the kid next door that you've watched grow up, felt a desperate teenage urge to be able to fit in and get some quick cash to go to the movies. This kid breaks in to get the rainy day jar that he saw on top of your fridge once. He doesn't think you're at home as is scared as can be. You shoot him. He's dead. Does the punishment of death fit the crime? How will you feel for the rest of your life? How will you look his parents in the eye knowing you killed their child. Does it feel so justified then?

    Again, I'm not disagreeing. I'm a fan of the castle doctrine and wish it existed in Virginia. I'm only saying that life is rarely so cut and dry.

    (Edit, I didn't expect that as I was typing this two more folks making the same point would post)
     
  16. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    I would sleep just fine. the question is: how will his parents look ME in the eye knowing they raised a kid who was stupid and morally corrupt enough to break into a friend's house?? teach your kid not to steal and he won't be killed doing it. his lack of morals is NOT my burden.

    if i did not recognize an intruder and felt threatened, i would shoot without exception. if i recognize the intruder then i would not shoot unless they made me feel threatened. the point is that i don't KNOW what an intruder is thinking, and i am not giving up MY life to consider his misguided youth, or social problems. get a therapist- DON'T COMMIT A CRIME AND BLAME THE CONSEQUENCE ON THE VICTIM!

    in flynn's case- would NEVER happen to me because i lock doors and use a security system religiously, so they won't mistakenly walk into my house. and i wouldn't invite someone to just open my door and crash if need be. i have a young son to protect and would never take that risk. bang on my door to wake me up if you need to crash. NO T8- that was NOT an invitation!!! lol ;)
     
  17. JLC

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    This has actually happened on my street after a party with some out of town guests in attendance. It's what I thought of when I read "shoot first, don't' bother asking questions later".

    (not the shooting part - the walking into the wrong house part)
     
  18. lilpea

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    While gun ownership is a constitutional right, it is also comes with a huge responsibility.

    I think people should have the right to protect themselves in their own home, but I also see there are less deadly ways to protect one's home & family.

    Based on the scenario you presented I think it is hard to compare that to of a complete stranger breaking into your house versus a child you have watched growing up.

    I would think the homeowner would be able to identify of the intruder is someone he/she knows before they use deadly force. Conversely if a complete stranger broke in I wouldn't hesitate to use deadly force.
     
  19. Chsalas

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    If your shot is as good as your golf you'll shank the first round. Hahaha

    JK eagleye.
     
  20. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    haaaahahahahahahahaaaaa! :pofl:

    i've never seen t8 golf but that's pretty dang funny.
     

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