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CDC Exaggerating Flu Cases and Deaths?

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by KTdid, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG]One of the many side effects of the government putting itself into the flu vaccine business is that it is not providing honest statistics.

    In October 2013, nineteen-year-old Chandler Webb of Utah received a flu shot. A week later, he slipped into a coma. A month later—after his brain swelled so severely that it crushed his brainstem—he died. His mother attributes his death to the flu shot.

    This is, of course, what scientists call “anecdotal evidence.” Even murkier is the potential brain or neurological damage to millions of children and adults from the mercury used as a flu shot preservative.

    Clearly it would help to have honest flu case, flu mortality, and damage statistics to help sort out these complicated issues. Unfortunately, we aren’t getting them.

    The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has claimed that over 200,000
    Americans are hospitalized and 36,000 die from the flu each year. However, Dr. Joseph Mercola’s investigation of inflated flu shot statistics revealed that the hospitalization estimate includes not just those who are hospitalized with flu, but for pneumonia, respiratory, and even heart conditions.


    The CDC’s annual hospitalization statistic is untrustworthy for another startling reason. The CDC’s 2012 to 2013 season analysis states that it determines its flu-associated hospitalization rates from the data provided by the Emerging Infections Program (EIP). However, the EIP only reports hospitalizations for which a laboratory test confirms a flu diagnosis. The CDC then calls this underreporting, and “adjusts” for it by applying a “hospitalization underreporting multiplier” of 2.7. This means for every real, documented case of influenza, the CDC multiplies it by nearly three.

    The same shoddy statistics apply to flu deaths. For example, just 500 Americans died from flu in 2010 (the most recent year for which data was available). The grossly inflated “36,000” number likely comes from the CDC’s lumping of flu and pneumonia together, although most pneumonia deaths “are unrelated to influenza.” In many cases, pneumonia is caused by bacteria, not a virus, which is one reason there is a separate pneumonia vaccine. Currently, the CDC states that 169 children died from the flu during the 2012 to 2013 season, and that twenty have died so far during the 2013 to 2014 season. Based on the CDC’s statistical sleight of hand, we don’t know yet if these numbers are accurate. It is also worth noting that whatever deaths occurred might have been prevented by adequate vitamin D supplementation before the illness, and/or adequate vitamin A supplementation, especially at the onset of illness.

    It’s no secret that the CDC exaggerates flu hospitalization and death numbers to scare Americans into getting the flu shot. Glen Nowak, former communications director for the CDC’s National Immunization Program, openly admitted to this during a 2004 presentation to the AMA. Although the presentation has been removed from the AMA’s website (most likely due to its incriminatory nature), other websites have archived it.

    Of particular interest is Nowak’s plan (he even calls it a “recipe”) to increase vaccination rates. Medical experts and public health authorities are encouraged to:
    • Express concern and alarm publicly (e.g., in the media), predict dire outcomes, and urge influenza vaccination;
    • Frame the flu season in terms that motivate behavior (e.g., using phrases like “very severe,” “more severe than last or past years,” “deadly”);
    • Help foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a base case of influenza, by using continued reports from health officials and media that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people; and
    • Show photographs of children and the families of those affected coming forward to get vaccinated.
    The CDC would apparently like you to believe that if everyone just got the flu shot, there would be no more tragic deaths. They seem to support efforts to force all healthcare workers to get it or lose their jobs, and of schools and youth programs to require it.

    But the flu shot only works on a small percentage of the “flu-like” viruses circulating every season. And even when faced against the flu strains that its designed to protect against, the flu shot is, at best, only about 62% effective. As we reported last year, that figure is misleading—it’s 62% effective against type A and B and H1N1 flu, but doesn’t protect at all against norovirus and whooping cough. Worse, only 2.7% of all adults get type A or B or H1N1 influenza, and of them, the vaccine will fail 38% of the time, which means it really benefits only about 1.8% of the population. In addition, there’s evidence that the more you get an annual flu shot, the less effective it will be.

    So why does the CDC keep pushing flu vaccination so hard, even to the point of cooking the numbers, especially when the flu shot doesn’t even work that well? No one can say for sure, but the problem appears to us to be the huge conflict of interest that the government has gotten into by becoming a partner with the vaccine industry.

    Sometimes, as in the case of Gardasil, the government itself is involved in the vaccine’s development and grants a license to a vaccine maker for its own profit. The government then reviews the product for safety and efficacy, subsidizes its manufacture, and recommends to state governments whether to mandate it. The government officials who make these “partnerships” happen are often richly rewarded with lucrative positions, as detailed in the book Crony Capitalism in America 2008–2012 by ANH-USA board president Hunter Lewis. Julie Gerberding, who brought the Gardasil vaccine to market as head of the CDC, later became president of Merck’s vaccine division.

    As you may have noticed, chain pharmacies like CVS, Walgreens, and Walmart are also eager to milk the flu shot cash cow, going to great lengths to persuade customers to get the shot. For example, CVS offers a 20% off shopping pass for each flu shot your family receives. It’s unclear how much these stores make from each $25 to $32 flu shot, but the Wall Street Journal estimates profit margins to be 30% to 50%.

    The CDC’s phony vaccine statistics are just the tip of a much larger scandal. If the government is to evaluate vaccines honestly, it needs to get out of the business of making them.

    http://www.anh-usa.org/cdc-caught-red-handed-exaggerating-flu-cases-and-deaths/
     
  2. GeauxTigers

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    Coal plants release mercury and it's a health concern. Break a CFL light bulb and the recommendation is treating the situation almost like a haz-mat cleanup due to the mercury release. We aren't to dispose of any mercury laden products in the trash because of the harm due to the mercury. We are warned not to eat a lot of seafood that tends to have higher mercury content. Shoot mercury directly into our blood stream? No problem!
     
  3. Steve Campot

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    "The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but an estimated 10% to 20% of those who were infected died. With about a third of the world population infected, this case-fatality ratio means 3% to 6% of the entire global population died.[31] Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million people in its first 25 weeks. Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people,[4] while current estimates say 50–100 million people worldwide were killed.[32]"

    Someday there will be a new strain of the Flu that we have no immunity too. Let's say it has 30% infection rate and a 15% mortality rate. I am not talking about horror movie rates of infection like 90% and 90%, that would mean the end of life as we know it. Just what has happened the last time a completely new strain hit. That mean that of the 8 million people living in the Wash/Balt region 360 thousand could be dead in a few months. This would overwhelm the system. Forget hospitals and police as the workers would be sick, scared of getting sick or taking care of their sick family.
    I think the CDC and their vaccines are are best hope of stopping such a catastrophe. Please keep in mind that if you gave 10 million people a very small shot of anything, 5 in a million are going to die the next day anyway. That gives you 50 families saying that the shot killed their loved one.
    Anything can be made to sound bad. Take pure water for example. I just read that it contains over 50% hydrogen, they make bombs out of that stuff. I am never drinking it again!
    So please get your flu shots and for the love of God get your kids vaccinated!
     
  4. Mom8386

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    I just have to add about the reported cases and the multiplier bolded above that most people who catch the flu are never hospitalized and a lot never see a Dr. so, there has to be a way to estimate actual cases. The CDC is not "exaggerating" cases. They are estimating based on the known cases. Big difference. I get the flu shot every year as does my husband. Our family of four had the flu two years in a row when our children were growing up (early 90's) and I said never again. None of us were hospitalized or saw a Dr. Most people I know just suffer with the flu and do not see a Dr. That part of the article turned me off completely and made the rest of the article biased to the side of anti-vaccination crowd.

    Please research the history of pandemics and what our ancestors had to deal with before vaccines came along. It wasn't pretty and we do not want to return to it. I have a great grandfather who was a Dr and died from tetanus. That doesn't have to happen anymore and very rarely does and when it does, it's in someone who didn't get vaccinated. Just one example.
     
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  5. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    Even the government acknowledges vaccines have dangerous side affects yet supports the CDC recommendation of 49 vaccines before a child turns age 6 ironically in the name of public safety. And what they do not acknowledge is the relationship between vaccines and childhood disease in numbers we have never seen before.
     
  6. merky1

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    meanwhile measles is coming back thanks to the anti-vaccine idiots. yes, flu shots have mortality associated with them. so does the flu. It's simple cruel math at work.
     
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    And crackpot web sites with little-to=no public health credibility exaggerate the downsides of medical science.
     
  8. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    Crackpot remarks don't lend credibility either. I'm not an alarmist nor an anti-vaccinationist.

    In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit. I'm a child of the 60's and fit in to this category.

    By the mid-1980s, there were seven vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella and polio. Because six of these vaccines were combined into two shots (DTP and MMR), and one, the polio vaccine, was given by mouth, children still received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.


    Since the mid-1980s, many vaccines have been added to the schedule. Now, children could receive as many as 24 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit. The result is that the vaccine schedule has become much more complicated than it once was, and children are receiving far more shots than before (see Vaccine Safety for answers to the questions, Do vaccines weaken the immune system? and Do vaccines overwhelm the immune system?). However, help is on the way. Vaccines are again in the process of being combined in the same way that the DTaP and MMR vaccines are already combined. The following combinations of vaccines are now available:
    • Diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis
    • Diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis, and inactivated polio
    • Diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis, inactivated polio, and hepatitis B
    • Diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis, inactivated polio, and Haemophilus influenzae type b
    • Measles, mumps, and rubella
    • Measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella
    • Haemophilus influenzae type b and hepatitis B
    • Haemophilus influenzae type b and meningococcus
    Vaccines for Adolescents: A new generation of vaccines
    Adolescents, like adults, were recommended to get tetanus boosters every 10 years; most requiring their first booster dose around age 11. Other than this, however, most adolescents did not require additional vaccines unless they missed one in childhood. By 2005, vaccines specifically recommended for adolescents were only recommended for sub-groups based on where they lived or medical conditions that they had. However, a new group of vaccines became available in the latter part of the decade. Vaccines for meningococcus and human papillomavirus (HPV) as well as expanded recommendations for influenza and pertussis now provide opportunities for adolescents to be protected as they enter their teenage years.

    Time Frame Recommended Vaccines

    2000
    Td
    MMR
    Hepatitis B
    Varicella
    Hepatitis A

    2005
    Td
    MMR
    Hepatitis B
    Varicella
    Hepatitis A
    Pneumococcus
    Influenza

    2010
    Tdap
    HPV
    Meningococcus
    Influenza
    MMR
    Hepatitis B
    Varicella
    Polio
    Hepatitis A
    Pneumococcus

    Historically, vaccines were deemed to be “only for children.” However, vaccines for adults are becoming increasingly common. Most adults think only of the tetanus booster recommended every 10 years and even then, many adults only get the vaccine if they injure themselves. In 2006, the Tdap vaccine was licensed as an improved version of the typical tetanus booster, Td. The newer version also contains a component to protect against pertussis (whooping cough). All adults, especially those who are going to be around young infants, should get the Tdap vaccine. Adults often unwittingly pass pertussis to young infants for whom the disease can be fatal.

    Influenza vaccines, available since the 1940s, are now recommended for most adults. Vaccines like MMR and chickenpox are recommended for adults who have not had the diseases, and vaccines including hepatitis A, hepatitis B, pneumococcus, and meningococcus are recommended for sub-groups of the adult population. The HPV vaccine became available in 2006 and a shingles vaccine was licensed in 2008. Both of these vaccines are specifically recommended for certain age groups within the population.
    Unlike childhood vaccines, which are often required for entrance to schools, adult vaccines are not mandated. No requirements and a lack of preventive healthcare by most adults have led to low levels of vaccine use by adults.

    The first formalized adult immunization schedule was published in 2002 and is updated annually.
    Reviewed by: Paul A. Offit, MD
    Date: April 2013

    http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine...ine-schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html

    Vaccine proponents claim the benefits outweigh the risks. What long-term studies have been conducted to prove they're safe?
     
  9. AshburnTribe

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    A bit of an overreaction KT . . . I worded my comment carefully so as not to attack you personally.
     
  10. Mr Rogers

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    I had the flu this winter. I get it about every 6 years. It was a crappy 2 weeks of coughing and aches. I have NO DOUBT that my immune system is now stronger. Do people who get the flu vaccine annually strengthen their immune systems? Does using anti-bacterial gel help your immune system get stronger?

    Most importantly what is the goal of the flu vaccine? It is NOT the same as MUMPS, MEASLES and RUBELLA vaccine, which was developed to eradicate those debilitating diseases. There is no goal to eradicate the flu, and it is largely ineffective most years. Was there a public outcry for the flu to come to an end? No. Was the Surgeon General asking for a cure for influenza? No. It was created by drug manufacturers who saw an opportunity to market a product that claim would stop the discomfort and complications of the flu.
    Unlike other diseases which have largely been eliminated, the introduction of the flu vaccine has NOT caused any change in the occurance of the flu. Why? Because the "flu" is not 3 strains and simplisticly described, but literally thousands of constantly mutating and adapting viruses. http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

    So you want to do something to help?
    1) Wash your hands with soap and water.
    2) Sneeze and cough vampire-style.
    3) Stay home when you are sick. Both for your own recovery and for the public good.
    4) Stay fit. Having good general health is the best weapon against illness.
     
  11. Mom8386

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    The purpose of the flu vaccine is to stop people from dying from secondary infections. Flu is rarely what kills people, it's what they get as a result of their immune systems being so compromised. Secondary infections ranging from sinus infections to pneumonia. Getting the flu shot every year hasn't compromised my immune system at all. I haven't caught anything in quite a while. I average a cold every 3-4 years and that's about it. Flu will never be eradicated as it's constantly mutating. Yes, washing hands is important as is keeping your hands away from your face, but that won't eliminate the flu by a long shot. Some people won't survive the flu season without vaccines.

    What long term studies have been done to prove vaccines are unsafe? All you have to do is look at child mortality 100 years ago and today and see the benefits of vaccination.

    Personally, other than a flu shot, I keep my tetanus up to date. I had mumps and chicken pox as a child-neither of those are all that dangerous in children. Adults who get chicken pox on the other hand are at risk for serious or deadly illness.

    For every article you post that is anti-vaccine, I can find one that is pro.
     
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    Precisely. There are no 'long term' studies proving safety or risk, but the CDC, FDA, and NIH will happily collect data of adverse reactions for future research.

    Here is a list of common substances found in vaccines. It is not all inclusive.

    Common substances found in vaccines include:

    • Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

    • Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.

    • Egg protein is found in yellow fever and most influenza vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.

    • Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity). It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged, leaving only a trace.

    • Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

    • Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine containing more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

    It should be the developers responsibility to prove their vaccines are safe.
     
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    I believe peanut oil is common as part of the adjuvant as well. I have read theories that the increase in peanut allergies could be related since the vaccine is essentially stimulating the immune system and presenting it with a peanut product, thus causing the immune system to react to peanuts. Also since it's not an active ingredient, it need not be listed by the manufacturer.
     
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    The responsibility is put on the developer to prove safety however they are not required to have an independent third party do the testing. How can this not be a conflict of interest? In regards to vaccines, developers have been granted immunity from lawsuits or legal action thanks to legislation in the 80's so there is no real significant penalty for a mistake or a rushed product. It certainly doesn't help that we also have so many former top execs from Big Pharm sitting in key roles in the government agencies that oversee the industry and vice-versa. I am not suggesting anything here other than it seems we've created/enabled significant possibility for conflict of interest. Like the post on the ingredients, I don't take it as an anti-vax statement so much as a "let's think about what we are doing" statement. It is clear there are risks on both sides and if the risks on either side are increasing, let's be aware of it and at least keep an open mind to it.
     
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    It is metabolized by our bodies.... but most of us get single-use vaccinations so it's a moot point. Mercury is dangerous to use if it's inhaled or on your skin, thus why we're warned about that. Wasn't that whole study debunked a long time ago? ;)
     
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    I wasn't trying to argue here that the mercury is causing damage, only that many ingredients in vaccines are well known as dangerous and most of the time we are heavily warned on their toxicity but yet when they are used for a vaccine, or heck even when found in many food products, we are told that the product is still safe.
     
  17. Mr Rogers

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    You can post 10 for every one that I post. But yours will be funded by the drug companies who invented the panic, demand and "solution".

    I get all of my boosters and vaccines for potentially fatal diseases.

    Here are the stats. Before the chicken pox vaccine, in 1991 122 people died of chicken pox in the US. Last year, 98 died as a result of chicken pox. To give you some perspective, each of the following were responsible for the deaths.
    Drowning in your own bathtub 350
    Lightning strikes 1950 - 135
    Executions (1999) - 98

    You cannot innoculate the world against all disease. Let's attack the ones that really kill us and not the ones that make us uncomfortable.
     
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    sigh.....Nobody is forcing anybody to get vaccinated influenza however, if you chose not to, you should consider that there are those in our community who can't be vaccinated and are the people MOST at risk of complications related to flu. So, the more of us that choose vaccination, the safer that population is.
     
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    That's the reasoning behind 'herd immunity' but it is a hypothosis only.

    A better question is this: why are pro-vaccine parents not concerned about the safety of vaccines? Afterall, american children are the most highly vaccinated in the world but not healthier.
     
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    So we are less healthy than those in Syria who are getting Polio?
     
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