Do NOT return HOA Survey

wow....
Stephanie and Dave, you two need to take a chill pill, if you will, for real.

Another thing, if this hospital "goes through" and gets built, guess what? you can move.
No one is making you live here. I think the hospital is a very bad idea but face it, there are alot of things being built, decisions being made, in Loudoun County that are a bad ideas. We are movng in three years. My girls will be in college and I will finally be rid of this house full of clutter.

One last thing, I love the sarcasm. This is one of the interesting things about these forums. T8erman, you are very funny.

 

I will be returning my survey checked "not enough information on the issue". No matter how hard I try, I cannot find any objective information. All I find in the forums and local papers is biased opinion.

 

what sort of information are you looking for?

 

Information I would like
Need - how many eastern Loudoun County citizens are turned away from Loudoun Hospital because of overcrowding? Is this a major problem? Are ambulances routinely detoured to other hospitals putting critical patients at risk due to the extra drive time?
Facilities - I hear talk of a mental health facility. What type of treatment will there be? I used to live near a hospital that had mental treatment facilities. They handled detoxification, psychotherapy, addiction treatment, group therapy, etc. There was never a problem. In fact most residents didn't even know it was there. I would have no problem with a facility of that nature. However, if this proposed hospital had treatment for the criminally insane I may have issues.
Reputation - What kind of track record does HCA have. Where can I find information and opinions from residents who are currently serviced by their existing hospitals?
Service to community - What other services will this hospital provide to our community? Free health seminars, screenings, blood drives, etc. Again this information would best come from communities currently serviced by HCA hospitals. Are they happy with what is provided?

"Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy until you can find a rock."
--Will Rogers

 

Just my two cents, but check out some excerpts from Stephanie's "Cool Link" in her profile:

- "It is by man's side that (woman) can realize her greatest usefulness and sweetest joys."
- "(Woman) is to be an obedient wife."
- "Being a (wife/)keeper at home involves ability to manage financial affairs, prepare the meals, keep the house as tidy as possible."
- "It seems that if a woman is truly devoted to her home and her family, she will not have time to work outside the home; home duties are a full-time job."

...It seems that if Stephanie is interested in setting the women's movement back 100 years and the further subjugation of modern women, perhaps she shouldn't get a vote at all?

And anyhow, shouldn't she be 'busy in the home' and not have any time to worry about anything else? (TIC)

 

I've been thinking for a while now that Stephanie may be a Troll. For those not familiar w/ the usage it is Troll: noun - Net speak for someone who causes trouble on internet forums or chat rooms.

From day one, she has been saying these things that just don't jive and made the Anti-hospital crowd look bad. I have a hard time believing she's for real and not a Troll.

 

Chris - lighten up! First, I will admit to all that at times I can be very intolerant, usually towards stupidity and "intolerance". Second, I never called or label anyone as being gay - "Not that there is anything wrong with that" (thanks Jerry)! Third, have a drink and relax. The ABC shelves are stocked and it will open soon. My post was meant "mostly" as sarcasm and yes, it was also meant to poke fun at some other posters intolerances towards some of the items mentioned.

 

Stephanie-
So far we have received 245 surveys back. I guess they aren't taking your advice!
In your post you state the HOA reps cannot be trusted and implied the vote will be fixed. Sorry if I misinterpreted this as an attack on our credibility.
So are you willing to put your actions where your mouth is and help count the votes? Judging by the response, we'll need the help. Or are you a "Troll" as has been suggested and not a resident? I have to admit, I've never heard that term before.

 

Cliff, I'd be happy to help count.

 

T8erman: I recognized that your comment was tongue in cheek (TIC). I even pointed that out in my post. My point was that by even jokingly perpetuating a belief that equates "being gay" and "being criminally insane" is damaging. I realize that you were just pointing out the intolerance of some of our neighbors, but still it best not to stoop to the lows of others.

Brim: I had never noticed the "cool links" site that you posted. I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Actually, the site was just downright scary.

 

What's scary is that the Church most likely sets up in one of the schools or public buildings every Sunday!

 

Chris -- I'm a bit confused. It's not okay to be intolerant to others based on their sexual preference (even in a tongue in cheek manner), but it is okay to be intolerant to others based on their religion (in a clearly serious manner)? Intolerance should extend to all beliefs, whether they be sexual, religious, or whatever.

 

There's a line. It's a pipe dream to be tolerant of everything. Some things should be ridiculed. If I started walking around in robes and preaching the Jedi religion at the elementary school then I should be ridiculed. If I stated that the world was flat and the Sun orbits the earth, again, ridiculed. Bashing gays, not funny. Bashing cults, funny.

 

Let's not accuse/imply that anyone belongs to a cult. I'm a pretty tolerant guy, but, like t8erman said, when it comes to stupidity and outmoded/archaic ideas, I can get pretty intolerant pretty fast.

To each their own, I guess...

 

Just in the nick of time....ABC store opens either this evening or tomorrow morning. They are waiting on the last of their licenses and are stocked up and ready to go snd have plenty of gift sets for the holidays!! I hope some people on this forum would partake in this opportunity to exchange a little goodwill. Now if they could just figure out how to send a bottle over the internet.....

 

OP_DUDE,

Thank-you for your posting on Dec.9th.
I would very much like to know the answers to these questions myself.I have not been able to find out why there is so much controversy over a hospital...

 

Cappy
I have searched for info on the web but it's all mixed. I have found HCA employee forums both good and bad. It seems when HCA takes over an existing hospital there is a great deal of negativity from employees and patients. When the facility is a newly built one (as the one they propose here) the comments are generally positive but still mixed. I found several newspaper articles about HCA's less than perfect financial stability. Also some very interesting articles about a 631 million dollar fine they recently paid to settle a Justice Department investigation into Medicare/Medicaid fraud. This is apparently just the latest of several fraud charges which now add up to a total of 1.7 billion dollars in fines.
I think most everyone agrees there is a need for a new hospital but people are just not sure if HCA is the proper solution to fill that need. Throw in the NIMBY factor and it all adds up to controversy.

 

Wow!
Up to 366 returned surveys and counting. This truly exceeds my expectations. Thanks to all of you for your participation.
Donna- I'll give you a call when we set up a date and time.
Cliff