HOA Mail-In Survey about HCA

Chris,

A survey by definition is a statistical representation of a population. I would think if the survey was sufficiently designed to reach a significant majority of those poled, that is sufficient. Furthermore, out of those responding (and you're not going to get everyone to respond) you then look at percentages. The sample size and the collection techniques seems to be sound. Are you worried about the results, and you've already begun a defensive attack in anticipation of the outcome? The outcome could go either way, unless you have an instinct saying your view may not win.

 

Chris,

Have you thought of the cost for certfied delivery. Say the average is $3 and you send it to 2000, do you really think $6000 is going to be worth it? Maybe you know of the cost and that is why you are pushing certified mail, and this is a way to discredit the survey before it is completed. I am not sure of your motives here Chris, are you being defensive, are you not informed about survey techniques, or is it you are worried about what the survey will portray? A preemptive strike is not a bad strategy, I'd just like to understand or guess, if that is what your efforts are for.

Additionally, even in our county election the "survey" participation is low. In this last election 10% voted.

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"Why in the world did the survey need to be sent around the holidays? You would not have needed to stand in a line and be chilly if the survey had been sent certified during a warmer month.

An unreliable survey is just that -- unreliable.
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Chris-
I wanted the surveys to go out in early December for two reasons:
1) There ws a possibility that this issue could be brought before the Board of Supervisors in January. I wanted to make sure they had the results by then.
2) Early December is between the holidays, and generally a time when people are at home.

No survey, certified letters or not, is GUARANTEED to reach all residents. The certified letters would have been sent out using the same mailing list from Armstrong Management. Therefore, the additional cost and inconvenience to homeowners, would not have been justified.

By the way, we're over the 500 mark on returned surveys. Are you sure you don't want to come help?

 

Chris, KillerBee, and Stephanie, or anyone else that is concerned about who counts the surveys:
Please contact me by Wednesday if you'd like to participate in the counting on Thursday.
Cliff (shevcoo@yahoo.com)

 

Cliff,

If they help with the count, they won't be able to complain about any survey count conspiracy.

P.S. Did you want me to bring my light table and shredder...

 

Hi, Cliff:
As I mentioned in my email earlier today, I thank you for the kind offer. I am out of town on business on Wednesday and Thursday. Otherwise, I'd be happy to participate and do my civic duty. I do hope that someone representing those of us who have valid and heartfelt questions and concerns about the hospital will be able to attend.

Hi, GCyr:
May I ask what is the purpose of your "light table" and "shredder"? I self acknowledge my ignorance (though, if I did not, I'm sure that the pro-hospital crowd would point it out for me).

 

Light table to see inside the envelope and shredder to get rid of the anti-ho..... oops, I mean get rid of the torn open envelopes, yeahhhhhhh, that's it! The discarded envelopes!

 

Chris,

It's a joke!! OK, I'll acknowledge it for you...

 

GCyr, so did you just acknowledge that the whole survey thing is a joke?

 

Now up to 700 returned surveys. Obviously the residents of Broadlands don't think it's a joke.

 

Cliff, I--for one--did not call it a joke. It was poorly administered and not truly valid, but I still didn't call it a joke. I think GCyr did though. Either that, or he beleives that the whole survey process was funny enough to joke about (see his comments about shredding votes from those who do not support the hospital!).

 

Using a light table was a joke.

 

Chris,

Lighten up will you! I used a to designate what I was saying, not the survey, was a joke (i.e., big grin). Someone had already stated they could see through the envelope (hence, light table) and you among others seemed to think the survey was somehow crooked or biased (hence, shredder), so I used some humor to lighten up the thread. Obviously, humor doesn't work for you or you don't understand it...

 

Ah, "joking" about shredding votes. Now that is classy. Remind me again about what is funny about disenfranchising people just because they do not share your beliefs. Also, if you joked about shredding votes, that means that it at least thought about it!

 

Chris-
It's as "valid" as an HOA survey can get. In fact we went the extra step to include a postpaid return envelope. I think that is partly why the response was so good. It is conducted the same way we elect or HOA Board members (those who mail in a proxy vs. attending the annual meeting), mail out newsletters, mail out coupon books, etc. Remember, it is a survey......not a binding governmental election....

 

Chris - you ARE a tool my man. You do neeed to drink some of that alcohol you have bought. When anyone even makes minor joke or slight innuendo about ANYTHING, you jump on them about how insensitive or unclassy they are. Are you a saint or something? And I think shredding votes, dropped chads, etc... is VERY funny considering it may have cost the Democrats a Presidency! HA HA

 

Chris,

Survey = vote?? Damn, I didn't realize a survey was the same as a vote, and I didn't realize no one could joke about anything here, except you, of course.

Just to make it perfectly clear to you, I had/have no intention of shredding any survey forms -- it was a joke and just because I made that joke does NOT mean I ever had any intention of doing it. OK, is that clear enough for you?

There will be other people (including anti-hospital folks) opening envelopes and counting surveys besides Cliff and I, so you can check with them on the count and the results.

 

T8erman and GCyr: I love joking, but when the people who are running the survey are (1) 100% against anyone who has valid questions about the hospital, (2) the ones who are mailing out the surveys (hit and miss, it seems, based on comments posted here), (3) the ones who are keeping the surveys (supposedly "safe") before they are counted, and (4) then start to joke about shredding survey responses that they do not like, I wonder what makes me have concerns about the fairness and validity of this process???

Also, T8erman, I've been called worse things than a "tool" right here in these forums. And, to be truthful, you have to admit that I never called GCyr "unclassy." I may have said some of his views are classist, though.

...and VACLIFF, GCyr, (and now T8erman), you dudes still have not told me what HCA is getting you for the holidays! I'd love to know. Is it cash stolen from the taxpayers? If you're not getting anything, I'd complain to their Board if I were you! You are being great "tools" for the company!

 

Chris-
Your points are WRONG because:
1) I have spent hundreds of hours investigating the concerns of those against the hospital. I have found that almost all of these concerns were not supported by the facts and, in most cases, the opposite was true. In fact, if I didn't spend so much time looking into it, I probably wouldn't have become such a supporter of it. Just because you don't like the results, don't accuse me of not having spent the time doing the research or listening to those that oppose it. I'd love to sit down with you and discuss it, but you refuse. That's your right, but don't accuse me of having listened to the concerns. Other resident Board members have also spent a lot of time researching this.
2) The HOA members did not send out the survey, as I have previously explained but you choose to ignore. Armstrong Management sends them out. You can call them at 703-679-1500 and you can question them how this was handled.
3) The paid employees of the HOA, not the Board members are keeping the SEALED envelopes in the HOA office. They will be opened and counted with those that oppose the hospital present. As you stated, you were comfortable with the fact that Donna would be there.

But thank you for giving me all the reasons I need for not counting the results of the survey if the majority are against it........(in case you can't tell, this comment is a joke)

 

Chris,

Excuse me! Where did I say anything about shredding only certain responses which I have told you was a JOKE! Do you understand plain English? I NEVER joked about shredding only certain ones, so reread my JOKE post and don't put words into my mouth that I didn't say.

Again, you took something out of context and reworded it to suit yourself. You're very good at that, as most of your posts are similar to this. If you have concerns about the fairness of the count, haul your butt to the Nature Center and help with the count. Oh, I forgot, you're out of town.

And, I do not appreciate your insinuations that HCA or anyone associated with HCA is buying me a present or otherwise "paying" me off. I have my own opinion, based on the facts as I've researched them, and that is the opinion expressed here by me -- not HCA. I could have said the same about you and LHC since you're 100% behind everything LHC says, but I didn't. If you don't have facts to back up what you say when you insult people and make insinuations, keep your snide remarks to yourself.

Let's use these forums to discuss facts and not your imagination.