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Hyde Park Planning Commission Review, July 14th

Discussion in 'Local Area Events' started by The Broadlands Community, Jun 10, 2022.

  1. The Broadlands Community

    The Broadlands Community Well-Known Member

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    The Hyde Park residential rezoning application will appear at the Loudoun County Planning Commission’s Work Session on Thursday, July 14th at 6:00pm and take place in the Board Room at the Loudoun County Government Center (1 Harrison Street SE, Leesburg, Virginia 20177).

    The work session agenda and Hyde Park analysis packet will be posted a few days ahead of the meeting at Loudoun.gov/Meetings. A live stream of the meeting will also be posted via that link while the meeting is taking place, and a recording of the meeting will be posted on that same link the next day.

    The Hyde Park application appeared at the Planning Commission’s Public Hearing on Thursday, May 26th. A recording of that meeting and that meeting’s analysis packet are linked below.

    1. Meeting Video (21:05 Minute Mark): granicus.com/player/clip/6973?view_id=86&redirect=true
    2. Meeting Analysis Packet: granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=86&clip_id=6973&meta_id=211753
    The Broad Run District Planning Commissioner, Michelle Frank, can be reached at Michelle.Frank@Loudoun.gov. The Broad Run District Supervisor, Sylvia Glass, can be reached at Sylvia.Glass@Loudoun.gov and Loudoun.gov/BroadRun.

    Under the current schedule, the application will appear at the Board of Supervisors’ Public Hearing on Wednesday, September 14th at 6:00pm.
     
  2. Alexander Franco

    Alexander Franco New Member

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    As an alternative to Hyde Park, if rezoning is not approved, apparently the developer would develop this site as a data center. Our Broad Run Supervisor Sylvia Glass argued against the data center alternative in her recent report (linked to in the May 20 Broadlands Blast newsletter). In her report, Supervisor Glass stated:

    “I regularly receive complaints regarding noise, construction, lighting, powerlines, etc. from other communities in the Broad Run District that are located directly next to/across the street from data centers, such as The Regency, Cameron Chase, and Brook Haven. I do not believe data centers belong near residential and I am not inclined to put the residents of Broadlands into that situation.”

    I am not sure I agree. Take a look at the following two screen captures from the presentation by Colleen Gillis of Cooley on behalf of the developer during the May 26 Planning commission Hearing.

    Hyde Park: 795 homes, many of which are 4 stories tall, taking 7+ years to construct, with associated traffic and burden on our school systems when complete.

    Data Center: 3 two-story data centers, 1 substation site and 1 drive-thru fast food site, probably constructed in 1-2 years (at the rate we see these things go up), with no burden on school system and substantially no additional traffic when complete.

    I am leaning towards opposing the rezoning request that would permit the proposed dense development of Hyde Park and in favor of the data center option at this point.

    2022-05-26 Hyde Park Layout.jpg

    2022-05-26 PC Data Center Layout.jpg
     
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  3. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Well stated. However I am guessing you do not live directly across from the site.
    I agree with most of your points but not ready to condemn residents to living across the street from data centers.
     
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  4. Susan N

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    I'd rather live next to people than a data center: data centers are unsightly monstrosities that compete with the neighboring communities for electricity and water (they use over a million gallons per day for the cooling process--see article below for some statistics).
    My questions:
    1. Why does Hyde Park have to be this high density of an area?
    2.What will a data center do to property values?
    3. Will this bring more data centers to our side of town?
    4. How many data centers do we need in Loudoun County, honestly? Is this what we want to be known for?
    5. As water becomes more scarce in the Western United States, and we've seen too much strain on their electric grids (note the rolling blackouts in California), communities are rising up against these data centers. At what point will we realize that we've made a mistake in allowing them access to our resources?
    Interesting article: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/intern...ities-push-back-against-data-centers-n1271344
     
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  5. Capricorn1964

    Capricorn1964 Well-Known Member

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  6. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    I will answer your questions as best I can.
    1) Because they need a certain density to meet their profit requirements. Otherwise, they just go with data centers.
    At least if it does go residential, there will be several nice amenities for Broadlands as a whole and particularly for that corner of Broadlands which is furthest from existing amenities.

    2. From my conversations with realtors, residential with amenities will not negatively impact anyone’s value.
    Data Centers would negatively impact those homes close to it, but not the rest of the community.

    3. There are already many more data centers being proposed on the west side of Belmont Ridge between Hay Rd and Rte 7.

    4. Not sure when the demand will end, but the demand for data is increasing dramatically every year.

    5. My understanding that the water demands for cooling these facilities has gone done dramatically compared to the ones built 10 years ago. Maybe someone else with experience in this industry can chime in.
    Our area and Virginia in general has fairly abundant water and electricity resources.
     
  7. Excelsior

    Excelsior Southern Walk||IMPERIUM IN IMPERIO||

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    I want the DC.

    Water does not seem scarce around here.

    795 homes will require infrastructure to support

    ~2000 cars

    ~1500 tik tok/instagram users

    ~500 -1000 Facebook users

    ~ electric infrastructure to support 800 air conditioners

    hauling away residential waste and depositing in the local landfill for a population surge of a out 2000.

    All that data gets stored somewhere and we get the traffic and congestion and vehicle exhaust+ shopping for goods in our local stores and depleting an already sensitive supply chain...

    Sylvia Glass gets 3/5 votes from the new neighbors.
     
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    It seems to me that Hyde Park is a done deal from listening to the May 26 hearing. The Commissioners appeared to be very enthusiastic with the proposal. Unfortunately, so much so that they did not appear to hear the concerns of the residents about the density, traffic, etc.

    Residents need to understand the only two options are Data Center or Hyde Park. And quite frankly, Hyde Park would have to be denied which didn't sound like that was even a remote possibility.
     
  9. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    For those concerned about new residential units in Broadlands, there is a presentation at the HOA Board meeting Tuesday by Van Metre to convert commercial property near the Lidl/Royal Farms to residential.
     
  10. Capricorn1964

    Capricorn1964 Well-Known Member

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    Is this separate from Hyde Park????


     
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    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    I read Sylvia's letter and never saw the data center as the absolute alternative. She suggested that it was an option that the landowner may use. Almost if she were dangling a threat because she knows data centers are not popular with the general population.
     
  12. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    It WILL be data centers if the residential application is turned down or altered significantly. They already have offers to build the data centers.
    The days of “just deny the application so the land will remain vacant” are over.
    Data centers are a by-right use for that land, so there will be no public input and the Board of Supervisors won’t even vote on it. It will be handled administratively by staff.
     
  13. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Yes, it is the land to the west of the current Van Metre office building.
     
  14. Traci Tyo

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    My 1st choice would be a lower density residential community. I understand that is under negotiation. Cliff do you have any further insight on this & the likelihood it could be a more reasonably sized project. In speaking with Michelle Franks the possibility it will be used for something other than the residential community or data center is quite small, if it exists at all.
     
  15. dbrow

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    Cliff is correct. If you watch the 5/26 hearing, the Planning Commission (not Sylvia Glass) clearly state that. I assume these are the 2 options that will make the developer the most money.
     
  16. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    They may reduce the size by 50-75 units, but I doubt any lower.
     
  17. Mike

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    any chance we can lobby for a park? or some greenspace? does it have to be data center OR houses...
     
  18. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    The land is worth tens of millions of dollars.
    Unfortunately, no one will pay that price for a park.
     
  19. Capricorn1964

    Capricorn1964 Well-Known Member

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    I believe it!

    Perhaps we could appeal to Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates if they would be interested in buying it and donating land to be made into a park!

    Hey, at least I tried!
     
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