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Safeway

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Small Brancher, Mar 30, 2016.

  1. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    I met with BF Saul, the Developer of the shopping center. They have no idea what Safeway will do. They still have a long term lease for that site.
     
  2. GenericEric

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    I did overhear an employee tell another customer several weeks ago that Safeway would be dividing the space and would re-open a significantly smaller operation in the future in one of the divided areas. I didn't post earlier as it wasn't verified, but the idea would make a lot of sense, and if they do still have a long lease, that may lend more weight. This store obviously never had the market to support a full size supermarket which, in my opinion, was a class lower in quality, service and selection than others in the area. It was not uncommon to see employees "shopping" expired products off the shelf - they simply didn't have enough customers to buy all the food and ended up throwing away huge amounts of inventory.

    I, like many have suggested in this thread, would go to another store if I needed to do a big shopping excursion or wanted really quality proteins or produce, but dang if it wasn't convenient. I was still in this store 3-4 times a week picking up daily items, and those trips add up. That would still be the case if they opened a smaller, neighborhood market. In fact, it would probably improve the shopping experience (its incredibly frustrating to buy canned products that expire two weeks after you purchase them).

    Time will tell...
     
  3. dbrow

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    I don't know anything about retail management but wouldn't Saul have to approve sub-dividing the space? I would think it would be in Saul's best interest to get another full size store in there, since it is the anchor space for the center. Especially with other stores mentioned earlier entering the local market (Publix, Aldi) and the improvements to the entrance/exits to the center.
    I'm surprised that Saul doesn't know anything about the gas station. Closing that down will be a bigger loss than closing the store in my opinion.
     
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  4. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Huh? Never had the market to support a full size supermarket? The store has been here for about 10+ years if I recall. In addition, recent years have opened two more grocery stories within just miles... in addition to the previous two grocery stores in the immediate area that were here when Safeway opened.

    And as for shopping the shelves... every store does it. Its part of the business... psst.. even busy places like Panera throw out expired product every day. I actually found their lemon wedges bucket was expired yesterday! oh noos! It's expected that you will cycle out old product. Ever watch the bakery folks or delivery guys?? It's the same in every store.

    Stores also 'front' the merchandise where you try to make the shelves look full by pulling product up to the front usually 2-3 deep and in the perishables you pull the older stuff up front.

    I bet you'd be shocked by how much stuff just dies in the 'dead head' carts of stuff people leave at registers or drop around the store. Stores have an incredible amount of 'shrinkage' from this stuff.. its part of the business they have to manage.
     
  5. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    One reason I always check the date but it doesn't dissuade me from buying the product. I rarely buy canned foods anymore other than tuna or salmon. Almost everything I buy is fresh, frozen or comes in glass or tetra-paks.

    Canned foods are sterile and do not host bacteria so very often can be kept on the shelf for years. The quality will eventually deteriorate and the can lining will break down. So if it says 'best by' and often times 'expiration date', that only tells you when the product will taste the best but it doesn't mean it cannot be eaten.
     
  6. GenericEric

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    Having worked as a manager in a grocery store for years during college, I wouldn't be shocked that product is thrown out. I was shocked by the quantity here, as well as how many products were close to their expiration date. As to not having a market.... the store is closing. If it was making money, it wouldn't be. Obviously the people of Ashburn have to shop for groceries somewhere, and as you point out, there are a LOT of stores to choose from.
     
  7. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Wouldn't be shocked? You should know outright. Shrinkage is huge.. from theft, deadheads, expiration, damaged goods, etc. Departments with perrishables are built out knowing there will be a percentage of product that is pulled and tossed regularly... its the cost of business for keeping shelves stocked. They know they will not sell 1:1

    Having a viable market and being successful are not the same thing. You poo'd on them saying 'never had the market to support a full size supermarket which, in my opinion, was a class lower in quality, service and selection than others in the area'

    When the store opened the local competition was Food Lion and Giant (HT might have been open in brambleton by then too.. not sure). You made it sound like it was unsustainable to build such a store here and that was a flaw of Safeway. That's crap.. and why 3 other stores have opened in the area since this store opened trying to grab this market. The market was there... the challenge was if they were able to capture it and hold it. I think the barebones way they operated the store hurt them in the long run because there was this stigma over the cashier situation. When Wegmans opened, that had to really hurt because people had a reason to leave the neighborhood for shopping. When Dollar Tree opened around the corner, that also had to undercut them.

    The market is there.. we are in a gold mine per capitia, and we have the population density as well. The key is how you operate and what you offer.. and why Wegmans is doing gangbusters business... and why HT has been trying to carpet bomb the area to choke the others out.
     
  8. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    Safeway and another large grocery chain was acquired by an equity firm. Closing stores/downsizing usually follows...
     
  9. GenericEric

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    One would have though i made a joke about yo mamma. I was merely making the point that the ratio of grocery stores to people in this town is very high, and it made sense to me that the store that, in my opinion (Which I qualified in the original post) was of the least quality would be the next to go. If you disagree, fine. I never stated in my post that it was a mistake to open in the first place and assume people who live here can see that offerings have changed over time. You have fulfilled your usual role as board instigator/suppressor of posts.
     
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  10. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Make arguments that aren't full of holes.. and you won't have to worry about it being torn apart. It really is that simple.

    To me the carpet bombing of HTs is intriguing to see how they each survive when they constantly divide their own area of draw.
     
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  11. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    The "standard' for the industry is one grocery store for every 1800 rooftops. Broadlands would support two, but not everyone will shop at the two in Broadlands.
     
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  12. chattycat

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    Yes, it's closing also.
     

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