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Waxpool was closed Thurs. Nov 6 @ 6pm

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by redon1, Nov 8, 2007.

  1. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    There are kids along that section of waxpool so be careful

    For some crazy reason and perhaps I am wrong but I get the feeling that the ones that want it raised the most perhaps got a ticket there. Just look at some of the horrible stories told here and that should be enough to keep the speed limit to where it is. Hey we are going from suburban to urban at the speed of light and many of those projects have been already approved. What is not going to be approved much anymore are the broadland style PUDs.

    So as we get more of the urban centers built we will get more day time traffic. Besides a better idea to vent your frustrations is to get the greenway and dulles toll road to become free no tolls then we would not have near as much traffic on waxpool and the toll roads without toll booths would move much faster. Of course that is a fantasy but fantasies do and can happen with enough people complaining and the right people put it into action.

    As far as the speed limit going up on waxpool that fantasy will never ever happen so get over it and don't break the law. If you want change get involved in a meaningful way. Unlike our last waxpool task force even Lori waters told me the other evening she thought it was a farce what steve snow was doing and Lori is getting roads built not just talking about them in her district.
    Ok enough of a rant on this subject.
     
  2. Baywatch68

    Baywatch68 New Member

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    I saw that on my drive acrtoss the country.
     
  3. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Yes... there are thousands of kids playing in the industrial park and at verizon... :rolleyes3:

    What reason do kids have for crossing the street there? There is nothing on the other side! And for the 200ft or so that is in front of your neighborhood there Lee.. I'd contest that other roads like Claibourne have orders of magnitude more kids around them and legit reasons to be there cross the road.

    Horrible stories? Which are those? The few based on driver stupidity? What's that got to do with the speed limit?

    10 or 15mph wouldn't have made a difference if someone rear-ended someone else hard enough to damage their vert.. That is purely the driver not paying attention which is going to happen at any speed.

    The speed limits around here in general are absurd. Go to even a rural area in virginia and see roads with 1/10th the safety features have limits at 45-55mph hour.

    Heck, goto RESTON and find roads with higher speed limits through neighboorhoods (whiele ave for instance at 45mph) compared to this stretch of road through NOTHING with a 35mph limit.
     
  4. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    I think every road in the Ashburn community should be 35-40mph only. Raising the speed limit isn't going to get you where you're going any faster, so relax folks:happygrin:
     
  5. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    So waxpool which is a 6 lane divided highway with a median, curbs, and fixed intersections should be 40mph? :screwy:
     
  6. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    Well I am not going to argue with you my good buddy Steve. But that section of road is going under construction very soon the first phase is putting a major amount of utilities underground which I have heard is quite extensive some of which is due to verizon. I hear this can take almost an year and a half or before the road is finished. So it is going to create a traffic problem there anyway for a long period of time. It does not look like much but the utilities going underground is fairly extensive to where they are going to build a utility tunnel so there can be future expansion easier in the future. At least that is what I have been told.

    lee j
     
  7. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it's not an isolated road. There are businesses and housing communities that abut it.
     
  8. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    That's why you lower the speed limit during construction - not define the speed limit of the road based on construction.

    By your logic the speed limit on Interstate 70 should be 35mph because SOMETIMES they have construction on it... :screwy:
     
  9. Lee

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    Steve sometimes your logic just defies logic.

    Oh well it is going to be what it is going to be.:)

    Lee j
     
  10. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    :screwy: Steve, isn't your arm getting a little tired;)
     
  11. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Go drive down syclin road (the gravel section) and then drive down waxpool in front of verizon and tell me the limit on waxpool in front of verizon is 'too fast'


    Why don't we just ban cars all together in Ashburn since it's obvious that there will be a car accident in the future or because there are people that can't drive.

    Waxpool near verizon might as well be death valley compared to other roads in the area with less safety features and more houses directly along the road which have higher limits and are much more dangerous due to the road's lack of features.

    Let's get rid of the incompetent drivers, force them into re-education and actually TEACH new drivers to drive. At this rate our roads will be 'rail guided only' in 20 years because people are scared of incompetent drivers may have an accident.
     
  12. KTdid

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    Speed really has nothing to do with competent drivers. Doesn't it reason that a competent driver will drive more safely than an incompetent driver???
     
  13. flynnibus

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    Exactly - so why the huge desire to DECREASE speeds in reaction to DRIVER FAULT situations?

    The problem isn't the speed - the problem is the driver. Instead of fixing the driver problem we try to lessen their impact by making them drive at horse and carriage speed.

    Fix the driver problem.

    It's harder to get a gym membership these days then it is to get a driver's license!
     
  14. KTdid

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    If driving at horse and carriage speed lessens (incompetent drivers) impact then maybe that's what it'll take. Good luck getting the "bad drivers" off the roads.

    My mother had a friend in her 80's who refused to stop driving. She would get behind the wheel and think she was the ONLY person in a car driving on the road. Heaven help you too if you were a passenger in her car.
     
  15. Lee

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    Steve how true ha ha ha ha that one had me rolling on the floor :) I going to use that statement a time or two!!!!!!!

    Lee j
     
  16. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    To me this is classic 'cover up the problem' rather then fix the root cause.

    This is why things get too complex, brittle, etc. The right solution is to fix the root cause, not make up other things to cover it up.

    Force people to pass stricter driving tests. Force them to retest. Come up with a system that allows non-licensed drivers to be more easily spotted (like registration stickers). Take drivers licenses away and jail people when they continue to drive.

    But of course most of this relies on having actual legitimate public transportation options for people.. something our country refuses to embrace at the core and to make changes to development planning, zoning, and spending to make it practical.
     
  17. sharse

    sharse TeamDonzi rocks!!

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    Move to Boston. You'll quickly appreciate it here.
     
  18. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    I absolutely think the speed limit along there should be at least 45. The road is significantly safer to travel now than it was before they widened it and the speed limit then was 55!!
     
  19. momalley

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    Dammit, this is the second thread in which I find myself nodding along when I read Steve's posts. Stop making sense!
     
  20. Lee

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    Well the speed limit is not going up so get over it. :)

    Or just keeping adding to the loudoun coffers if you don't want to obey the law :) Like my criminal attorney brother says many of his clients say they are innocent and they get to sit in jail until until they can prove it. Or they say, I didn't break the law the law sucks and should be changed but I am still innocent really honest I am. a ha ha ha

    Lee j
     

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