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Wireless Internet with VeroLan in the Broadlands

Discussion in 'Community Broadband & Computers' started by hornerjo, Jun 9, 2003.

  1. Dutchml

    Dutchml Member

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    2003-12-18 22:00:43 EST: 261 / 2
    Your download speed : 261398 bps, or 261 kbps.
    A 31.9 KB/sec transfer rate.
    Your upload speed : 2234 bps, or 2 kbps.

    2 kbps upload? I can upload faster with two tin cans and a string!! What's up with the speeds?
     
  2. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    It was me this time. He throttled me back again (he emailed). He told me to stop using the application that caused the problems. Sorry, but I'm not cutting back on any of my usage or programs I want to run. Anyhow, we've decided to go back to Adelphia and pray more options come soon to our area.

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  3. boomertsfx

    boomertsfx Booyakasha!

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    Adelphia is fine.... not many outages lately.... 300k/s downloads, ~28k/s upload for most... and you can get them to give you a refund for any downtime.

    I just wish I didn't have to pay $55/month.
     
  4. Dwarflord

    Dwarflord New Member

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    How can a network be so frail that if you use your alloted bandwidth it causes network problems.....:D

    I made the call to adelphia on Sunday when I found out he throttled me back w/out any provocation except for a "suspected" virus that he had no proof of on my network. Adelphia will be here tonight. Bad thing is I already paid for this month, so I want a refund from Sunday to the end of the month or he isn't getting his equipment back.
    to Throttle someone back because you cant manage/maintain your network is poor business. Im all for the small businessman, but you cant screw your customers and expect to stay in business.
    What I suspect is that he is trying to ween out his "heavy" residential users and favor the business customers (of course they pay more) and hope to get new residential customer that only use http:// --- now what residential user will want to pay the $$ hes asking for , for the limited services provided.....[?][?]
    Yes, im back to Adelphia now, apparently they have made some changes for the better.
    I too hope for more competition as well, hey, maybe if we're lucky openband will become available for us and we can piggyback on the same 56k line all those other folks are using......[:0]



    DwArFlOrD
     
  5. dworth

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    When you guys use the p2p software, do you run it all the time or just when you are looking for stuff?
     
  6. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    Only when I'm trying to get something. I don't leave it on.

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  7. MgD

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    What application did he say was causing the problems. You'll have to let us know when you are officially off the network so we can watch all our problems magically go away.
     
  8. Dutchml

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    It's an application that sponges bandwidth from all of the rest of us. Obviously, they haven't bailed to Adelphia yet because their running that damn program now. Speeds are incredibly slow. Tell me guys, why in the world do you need 11 megs of bandwidth anyway? Please give us a break, we pay for bandwidth too, but we're not getting 10 times what we're entitled to at the expense (literally) of everyone else.
     
  9. MgD

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    Yes, my connection sucks again tonight...

    64 bytes from 209.183.200.30: icmp_seq=57 ttl=149 time=1.284 sec
    64 bytes from 209.183.200.30: icmp_seq=59 ttl=149 time=4.684 msec

    --- 209.183.200.30 ping statistics ---
    60 packets transmitted, 20 packets received, 66% packet loss
    round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 4.684/78.297/1284.867/277.251 ms

    66% packet loss, without even hitting the external network (e.g. Internet).

    Matt
     
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    Hey guys, I spoke to Khalil the other day and things should be getting better. If the other guys who are running the p2p stuff do infact cancel, then things should improve quicker. They need to just tone it down and not let it run all the time or just run it overnight, when usage is low.
     
  12. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    I know you're not talking about me. I ran 'that damn program' a grand total of twice. Once 2 nights ago for about an hour before Khalil shut me down and before that it was almost two months ago. If you read my posts I stated I didn't want to run it and mess up the tower. And where 11 megs of bandwidth? My god, I wish! My plan is the 768/256 plan. 256 is quite lower than 11MB don't you agree? And if you don't believe me, feel free to see my test speed history!

    And as for last night, I left my computer at 9pm to go watch TV - and left *nothing* running on my network except for my website which is idle right now.

    2003-12-20 08:52:50 Speed test @ ec 147/228 kbps
    2003-12-16 20:51:26 Speed test @ ec 479/248 kbps
    2003-12-15 21:05:58 Speed test @ ec 201/53 kbps
    2003-12-15 20:07:22 Speed test @ ec 618/183 kbps
    2003-12-14 17:37:24 Speed test @ ec 685/130 kbps
    2003-12-14 14:50:22 Speed test @ ec 672/397 kbps
    2003-12-13 22:59:44 Speed test @ ec 145/235 kbps
    2003-12-13 13:22:57 Speed test @ ec 511/248 kbps
    2003-12-12 11:08:57 Speed test @ ec 605/0 kbps
    2003-12-12 11:01:46 Speed test @ ec 198/0 kbps
    2003-12-12 08:03:57 Speed test @ ec 630/247 kbps
    2003-12-07 09:27:25 Speed test @ ec 474/143 kbps
    2003-12-07 09:22:46 Speed test @ ec 426/198 kbps
    2003-12-06 22:38:31 Speed test @ ec 17/28 kbps
    2003-12-05 11:31:40 Speed test @ ec 522/248 kbps
    2003-12-03 19:58:55 Speed test @ ec 691/245 kbps
    2003-12-01 22:53:08 Speed test @ ec 481/248 kbp

    11MB. I wish.



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  13. Dutchml

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    Not gonna get into any flame wars here. There's more than enough of that on the other forums and I'm not going there. It's obvious someone is running it when everyone's speed tanks. Only Khalil can tell who it is and I'm glad he's throttling them back when they run it. It's just another example of a few people screwing up a good thing for everyone else.
     
  14. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    Then lets calm down here for a few minutes and think about this.

    Look at Khalils price plans. The highest one there is 1024 / 384. 384 is less than 1/3rd of a single T1. Khalil has 11MB correct? At 1.5MB a T1, that's 7 T1 lines.

    Give this a try for yourself as a test. Install Bittorrent and download one of the recent game demos on top. Just let it run for 10 minutes and them come back and tell us how much bandwidth it's using.

    http://www.gametab.com/files/torrents.php

    John

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  15. Dwarflord

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    can you explain exactly how running a p2p software is causing everyone else the problems? I really dont think you can, because if you understood the nature of networks and bandwidth, I can guarantee you that is not the problem at hand here. BTW I have never used p2p on verolan, i buy my stuff....:)
    Anyway, once the p2p users leave and gamers leave, you guys will still have the problems and then Khalil will find something else to point the finger at. 98% of the time Khalil has accused the customer of causing the problems or stated that the problem we complain about is localized to ourselves and nobody else feels the pain. Thats BS.
    The fact is, we are all on a very non-fault tolerant network that is basically one big "hack". If Khalil was so certain the p2p users were the cause he would have "shut" them down, or else all his customers are affected, thats what we used to do when we found a customer impacting others.
    If you read some recent previous posts, Khalil has admitted he does not know what the problem is and it is more than apparent based on the # of people he has accused of having viruses and the # of people he has throttled back.
    Bottomline:
    Khalil still does not know what the problem is and is stating that once the "gamers" and "p2p" users the problem will leave. This is not true, "gamers" and "p2p" users do not cause packet loss and latency to everyone on a network, if they did, no single network in the world would allow those applications to run. Just think about that. This network is unreliable and poorly designed, and that is the problem. You will see this once the "gamers" and p2p users leave. He hopes to retain what few customers he has by assuring them that the problems are due to gamers and p2p users.
    The problems wont leave until the network is redesigned and equipment upgraded.
    The gamers and p2p users are throttled back to 128/64, so how can this limited bandwidth affect everyone else using the 12 megs of bandwidth? It cant, unless its a networkwide problem............
    If anyone has proof to illustrate otherwise Id love to see it.

    DwArFlOrD
     
  16. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    Also it's not just P2P he's targetted here. Here is what we have heard so far:

    Groove (a P2P collaboration application)
    Bittorrent (a P2P application)
    Gaming (? who knows, there are hundreds of online games.)
    What else? Anything that maxxes the upload is my guess. Since simple web surfing doesn't do that it's usually safe.

    But again I have to go back to the price plans. There isn't a single one that even hits half a MB upload. Now let's assume one single user again halts everyone else like what has been happening. Ok the highest plan is 384. So that user has maxxed the 384 upload at the tower and everyone else is now hosed. It doesn't matter what application it is. Khalil throttles that user down and the 'problem' goes away.

    My conclusions:

    A) The tower doesn't have 7 T1s, or about 11MB. It has a fractional T1 with a max of 384 upload.
    B) The tower wireless hardware that propogates the signal to all of us can't support more than 384 upload even if there is 7 T1 or about 11MB at the tower.
    C) He has multiple people that are above the stated price plans and are using up to 3-4MB of upload speed (which is above the maximum 802.11b will go with encryption turned on) and is using up the 7 T1s or about 11MB.

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  17. MgD

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    You guys raise some good points. I don't think the problems will go away with the "gamers" and p2p players gone. Also, if I can't use Groove with my available bandwidth, then the connection is not worth the money to me. Groove is not some gamer platform or file sharing mechanism, it is a shared p2p workspace that I use for a government contract.

    I would really like to see the network infrastructure diagram for Verolan. It is obvious there is a shortcoming somewhere, probably in one of the areas John pointed out.

    Matt
     
  18. Dutchml

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    2003-12-23 10:08:45 EST: 1247 / 1177 :D
    Your download speed : 1247705 bps, or 1247 kbps. :D
    A 152.3 KB/sec transfer rate. :D
    Your upload speed : 1177625 bps, or 1177 kbps. :D
     
  19. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    Nice! I'd like to see that price plan! :)

    John

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  20. MgD

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    Nice...is this on Verolan?

    I am getting the best speed ive had in weeks, though still having that issue with the connection stalling out every once and a while
     

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